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"Jesus can be both God and the son of God because the terms don't mean the same thing. When we say that Jesus is God (John 1:1, 14; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8), we are saying that Jesus possesses the divine nature (as well as a human nature, see hypostatic union). But the term "Son of God" does not mean that Jesus is not God. Think about it. If the term "Son of God" meant that Jesus is not God, then does the term "Son of Man" mean that Jesus is not a man? Of course not. Likewise, if the term "Son of Man" means that Jesus is a man, then does it not imply that when it says Jesus is the "Son of God" that he is God? We ought not look at the ancient words found in Scripture and judge them by modern thinking."

the bible is very specific on this.

jesus is the word. he is the word of god. he is the scriptures in a fleshly body. this makes him god incarnate, for all practical purposes. this guy is calling the word "divine nature". that shit is made up and i have no respect for that.

i just explained the rest of it in a different post. the bible is not open to personal interpretations. it interprets and defines itself.

jesus is the second adam. adam dies after about a thousand years. a thousand years is as a day to the lord. then after three days (thousand years), he was sent in the form of jesus of nazareth. three days in the earth. three days to be perfected, to be without sin.

atonement. cain killed abel but abel recieved atonement from cain when esau had to serve jacob. thus abel got his place in the lineage of christ that he was cheated out of by cain murdering him. adam pops up as melchezidek, joseph, joshua, david, in the fiery furnace and perhaps more, but he was not completed yet. when he was complete or perfect or sin-free, then he was born (needlessly for him) for the express purpose of telling people the process and making final atonement for bringing sin into the world.

John 3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 10:36
say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

John 12:46
I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

John 16:28
I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

John 18:37
Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.


Romans 5:11-21

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (for until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 that as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
 

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