Date:   9/3/2014 12:11:08 PM ( 10 y ago)
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Hi User,

I look forward very much to those links. Thanks.

Yes, I am in the United States.

Answering [definitely] about "liposomal C" is a difficult task! So much of the information posted is anecdotal from those who have a financial interest in it [unlike the many tens-of-thousands of positive studies using ascorbic acid, and (possibly) hundreds (if not thousands) using intravenous and injectable sodium ascorbate].

Here is a post I made on another Forum that may be of interest:

"Liposomal ascorbate very definitely has a place [I think primarily in place of (or in addition to) intravenous ascorbate], i.e. if one is [seriously] ill, it may just be a very good supplement to use. Additionally, when one is in a social setting, it has the advantage of no flatus production, etc. But, from my study of the matter, I would not want to completely replace daily Bowel Tolerance dosing [with ascorbic acid] with liposomal ascorbate.

Here are some points to consider [as to why]:

1) Liposomal ascorbate [just like intravenous ascorbate] provides no method of determining proper dosage [other than symptom amelioration], e.g. no Bowel Tolerance indicator. So, for daily health maintenance, one simply has to guess at one's needs. And as Dr. Cathcart put it, “I have seen enormous increases in bowel tolerance to ascorbate in adults, several hours before there was any outward sign of their getting sick.”

2) Along the same line: It therefore provides NO GI tract cleansing, something I have come to the conclusion is extremely important to one's overall, long-term health prospects.

3) If one has any blood-born malady, the liposomal may not work as well, because it primarily stays intact until it reaches the cells. Personally, I want the ascorbate to be able to attack and neutralize any toxins/poisons/parasites, etc., while they are still in the blood, i.e. vs. having already made it into the [tissue] cells.

4) While it is true that liposomes, being fatty molecules, can directly cross the [fatty] cell membrane “barriers” [whereas water-soluble substances, like ascorbic acid, cannot], ascorbic acid reduces and re-reduces, i.e. continually “recharges,” all natural [antioxidant] substances that do operate within the cells, e.g. vitamin E and glutathione [to name just two].

5) The animals all produce the water-soluble substance ascorbic acid [vs. any fat-soluble substance] to handle their ascorbate needs throughout their bodies [including within their cells].

6) Liposomal ascorbate [at least commercially] costs on the order of 50 to 100 times as much per gram as ascorbic acid.

I think, liposomal ascorbate is a fantastic discovery/invention! But as a 100% replacement to daily Bowel Tolerance dosing with ascorbic acid, I certainly do believe it has its drawbacks and limitations [per the above].

I think its use is primarily as an adjunct therapy. Note this from Dr. Levy, '...I have seen many cancers now respond dramatically and/or completely resolve with IVC, sodium ascorbate powder chronically pushed to bowel tolerance, and relatively low doses of liposome-encapsulated vitamin C (3 to 6 grams/packets daily). All these forms of vitamin C as monotherapy have achieved these dramatic results. That said, the more forms you take of vitamin C, in the highest tolerable/affordable doses, the better.'

So if the circumstances warrant, I think liposomal ascorbate makes a good addition to, versus a good replacement of, ascorbic acid."

Additionally, User, there is much controversy over whether "homemade" liposomal ascorbate is composed of true liposomes, e.g. molecules in the under 200 nanogram size. Apparently, for liposomes to easily cross the cell membrane barrier, the smaller the better.

For myself, User, after 20 years of daily Bowel Tolerance dosing with ascorbic acid [currently in the 75 grams per day range], I simply have no need for liposomal ascorbate. But, for most people, who's GI tracts are not generally all that healthy, e.g. cleaned out/up, I think liposomal ascorbate can be a real life-saver when faced with serious illness, i.e. since liposomal ascorbate does not generally have a Bowel Tolerance reaction, and therefore, "limit," one [typically] would be able to ingest therapeutically significant doses without having one's GI tract [cleanness/unencumberedness] be a limiting factor.

I hope that helps, User, as "grist for your [health] mill."

Best wishes,

David

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