Date:   8/18/2014 8:20:40 PM ( 10 y ago)
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In the romans 7 passage you quoted, Paul is talking about what it's like before being born again. Why get trapped/imprisoned/held in bondage there and not go on to read and live romans 8? Perhaps people stuck in Romans 7 have not actually been born again or maybe then they would know that something has been transformed within themselves because they would actually tangibly know and feel the difference.

Romans 8:5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

[notice the word HOWEVER coming up next]

9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

[please let romans 8:9 sink in because it's quite essential to understanding what it is to live in Spirit and not in flesh. Also according to Paul, it is clearly attainable. Do you have the Spirit of Christ and thus belong to Him? if so, then you are not in flesh, but in Spirit if the Spirit of God dwells in you.]

10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness...

12 So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh— 13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

[are you being led by the Spirit of God? are you a son of God?]

15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,

[if this testifying by the Holy Spirit is not happening within our spirit, we might want to ask God why it's not]

17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.

On to the next point, your attacks against bill johnson are addressed in another post here where you came against him also:

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