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Saywhatagain, one of the debates in Christianity is on how bad was the fall. Some say, well it was bad, but people still have the ability to do good and choose God. Others, like me, say no, the scriptures make it sound like it was worse than bad, that Adam died spiritually, and therefore we were all born spiritually dead, and unable by anything within us, to choose God and do good according to him, apart from his doing a work in us (cause us to be born again).

1 Peter 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

You have this scripture that sums up the fall of man:

Romans 3:

9What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, 10as it is written:

“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
13“Their throat is an open grave;
they use their tongues to deceive.”
“The venom of asps is under their lips.”
14 “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.”
15“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 in their paths are ruin and misery,
17and the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

No one seeks after God it says.
Then we have these scriptures:

1 Corinthians 2:14
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

John 6:34
44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

There are more, but I think the bible makes it clear that no one is seeking God apart from him doing a work in them. I think Paul's conversion is a very good example for us to see that it was not Paul seeking God. On the road to Damascus where God struck him down, he was not seeking God, but seeking to destroy God's people. But God had another plan for Paul. He took his stony heart and gave him a new heart. And I believe this is how it works with any child of God.

Ezekial 36:26
And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

Philippians 2:13

For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

I don't believe God puts the evil thoughts and actions in people. I believe evil thoughts and actions just come natural to human nature.

But also listen to what these scriptures say, and see what you think:

Proverbs 21:1
The king’s heart is a stream of water in the hand of the LORD; he turns it wherever he will.

Proverbs 16:9

The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.

Proverbs 19:21

Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand.

Proverbs 16:4
4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Daniel 4:35

All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?”

Isaiah 14:27

For the Lord of hosts has purposed, and who will annul it? His hand is stretched out, and who will turn it back?

Proverbs 16:33

The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord.

Job 12:13-16

“With God are wisdom and might; he has counsel and understanding. If he tears down, none can rebuild; if he shuts a man in, none can open. If he withholds the waters, they dry up; if he sends them out, they overwhelm the land. With him are strength and sound wisdom; the deceived and the deceiver are his.

Isaiah 46:11

Calling a bird of prey from the east, the man of my counsel from a far country. I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass; I have purposed, and I will do it.

Job 12:23

He makes nations great, and he destroys them; he enlarges nations, and leads them away.

Isaiah 45:7

I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things.

There are more scriptures I could post, but I'm sure you get the point.

Human nature doesn't want God to be God and that's been a problem from the beginning. But to me, all the theology out there that wants to limit God and make him a weaker God that is thrown about here and there by the free will of man, is made foolish in light of these scriptures.










 

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