Date:   8/3/2014 11:10:42 PM ( 10 y ago)
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My ego was not bruised as I am confident in my 40 years of research into nutrition, herbs and alternative health and have helped thousands of people asking for my help.

I posted what he said and I took extensive notes. I think some of the things I posted he said speak for themselves.

They say in the book mind over medicine if a doctor really believes in what they are preaching and conveys this ot the patient, that the placbo effect kick in for anything and if they feel there is no hope the patient often assimilates this and gets worst or dies.

There is nothing wrong with the placebo effect and it often is more successful than the real things such as a fake surgery showed no pain in knee more percent go better than with the real surgery. (maybe 88% placebo with fake surgery and 755 with real knee surgery).

The author of mind over medicine communicated, that the doctor's belief and what he thought would happen was often crucial to healing and suggested doctors be very careful what they say due to the strong effect it can have on patient outcomes.

His teachings are so odd and out of rhelm with most people for the most part that personally, I think this may be entering in his success stories.

I think the patients belief in whatever they are doing is a huge factor no matter what that treatment is and in fact, the author who studied only peer reviewed studies, found this often was a big factor in either the placebo or nocebo effect.

Anyone who says eating raw food, the food nature and God designed for us is bad is not someone I agree with.

I am happy he helped you, I really am but I do not think I misrepresented the man or had motives of a bruised ego at all, I was puzzled by such odds statements and wanted to know what others thought of his statements were so divergent from standard health advice.

Either way, he was extremely rude to the parents of a young cancer patient and tried to make them responsible for their child's illness, and did so in a very demeaning and unkind way lacking any empathy, he devastated some people in the audience who hung on his every word and one could almost see the hope draining from the sick in there who were trying to follow the currant health advice so adverse to what he was preaching, and he quickly and rudely shut off anyone who disagreed with him taking it very personally and was over the top rude to them. I think this is cause he as he said gets a lot of criticism and this is how he has come to deal with it but it made him look bad as he was very rude.


How can I be misrepresenting him when I wrote exactly the points he made. Canned peaches over real c'mon

If I am on the wrong track by following the advice of being a raw vegan preached by Dr Richard Schulze who cured the dying of literally everything, of Anne Wigmore curing cancer in the 50s, or Dr Norman Walker who lived to be 117 by being a raw foodist in the 30s and 50s and so many who healed themselves of literally everything, how can that be on the wrong path. I think when a person is invested in what they chose to be treated with, it is hard for them to hear any criticism of their chosen healer. I note that people who do only traditional cancer treatments get very rude and start fights with people choosing alternative health and this seems to be because they take it personally if one does not do what they do.

since each of us chose our own path, it is fine this is yours and great it worked for you but I feel the man certainly did not strike me as a wonderful person..he was very dogmatic. and I think the placebo effect is strongly involved., This is not a criticism or put down as if it heals you who cares if it is placebo..on fact, many of Schulze's patients may also have had placebo effect involved as him and Harry Hoxsey's clinic runner both said if someone came to them with the attitude I will beat this, did more than expected and believed, they always always got well but those who were dragged in by relatives and complained of all the program and pick and chose what thy wanted to do often did not get well. I unlike most do not think placebo healing is not a valid healing or see this as a problem..I do not even knows if sit is placebo but rather a valid ay to heal yourself by believing you will be healed by x, y or z and then being healed even against all odds.


I think God gave us very powerful and creative minds and we are only just beginning to see the strong effects it has on our lives and health.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree but this post had nothing to do with my ego or feelings being hurt, I am a lot stronger than that. It had to do with his teaching being so opp site other studies and standard thinking of the many amazing natural healers down through time that cured literally everything.

But is is not bad for me as to go to his lecture had to do prework with someone in the integrative clinic and this is how I found one of the best doctors I have found as a family doctor so it worked well for me and apparently for you but I do not think I misunderstood him at least form what I heard in the lecture and no deliberate misrepresentation happened as this is what he said in the lecture..I am a visual learner and got very good when I was in college taking extensive nearly word for word notes so my notes on what he said were what he said.

People have even gotten healed by medicine men who spit herbs in their face as Schulze said he does not feel they can be absorbed form the skin that way and concludes what healed them was their extreme belief they would be healed and in the medicine man and their believing they would be cured..we cannot underestimate this but even with this placebo and nocebo effect (nocebo--ie--you or doctor believes you will have this outcome or die and you do..sort of like someone one puts a curse on you and said you will die in a year and you do right on schedule..that was belief in what someone told you) effect

But even if all healing starts in the mind, I think natural itself is more in line with my beliefs of eating whole foods, as close to nature as possible , good herbs to heal, positive thinking, exercise, hydrotherapy et is more reasonable than what Dr Aukerman teaches so even if I knew little about either, most people would chose back to nature approach and these lifestyle changes.

We also do not know for sure his program is what saved your aunt..there could be many paths to healing but the thing is we each get a chance to do what resonates for us to try to heal themselves..even if his program works flat out on his own, that does not mean the path I chose of Dr Schulze and other great natural healers does not cure as well means I am on the wrong path at all.


I went to a support group once 20 years ago when I had cancer and a lady told the story of her mother in law told she had terminal cancer and would be dead in 6 months..the women came home and said he is full of crap.. am not gonna die and when they came christmas to celebrate her last christmas she got mad and said go home if you think I am dying as I am not dying..she never believed what the doctor said and the woman telling us the story at the support group ended it with that was 35 years ago and she is still here...

this is a real life, extreme example of the placebo effect and also demonstrating the power of hope on our prognosis. Here is someone who cured their deadly cancer by the power of the mind and belief alone..maybe your aunt knew she was not going to die and placed all her hopes on Aukerman's program and the body worked to heal her..actually Schulze said many times hope is healing and death sentences are not.

when my cancer recently recurred, and I id not chose to go the traditional route doctors ere so shocked and angry or maybe worries about this that all they did over and over was tell me I will definitely die..it is hard to get that out of your head and I wonder if I can't shake that worry if I can truly heal myself with natural or otherwise..the books I have been reading lately like mind over medicine and radical remission place the power of the mind as of paramount importance.

I think no matter what road you chose, I underestimated he power of the mind, what you believe he outcome will be and your positive or negative state of mind have huge effect's on everything.










 

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