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First: thimerosal has not been removed from Vaccines. There is NO documentation from either the pharmaceutical companies, CDC or FDA that confirms the removal of thimerosal. Removal has always been VOLUNTARY and reporting the removal of thimerosal is also VOLUNTARY. Here is a link to a string of emails that reveal this information: http://www.ageofautism.com/2007/12/emails-from-cdc.html.
AAP quietly reversed their position on thimerosal removal in 2012 on their website. Of course there is no evidence it was ever removed.
*****CDC Chief Admits that Vaccines Trigger Autism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh-nkD5LSIg*****
Autism link to thimerosal is also confirmed by research that dates back to the 1930's.
-Review of Vaccine Induced Immune Overload and the Resulting Epidemics of
Type 1 Diabetes and Metabolic Syndrome, Emphasis on Explaining the Recent
Accelerations in the Risk of Prediabetes and other Immune Mediated Diseases: Molecular and Genetic Medicine (S1:025, 2014)http://www.vaccines.net/vaccine-induced-immune-overload.pdf,
-Prevalence of Autism is Positively Associated with the Incidence of Type
1 Diabetes, but Negatively Associated with the Incidence of Type 2 Diabetes, Implication for the Etiology of the Autism Epidemic
Open Access, Scientific Reports (Volume 2, Issue 3, 2013)
http://www.omicsonline.org/scientific-reports.ph
-Thimerosal Exposure and the Role of Sulfation Chemistry and Thiol Availability in Autism. Int. J. Environ. Res. Public Health 2013, 10, 3771-3800.
*Summary of the study: Thimerosal Exposure and the Role of Sulfation Chemistry and Thiol Availability in Autism, by Dr. Janet Kern et al. The authors of this paper reviewed a comprehensive body of literature regarding differences in metabolism between children with autism and neurotypical “control” children, specifically related to their relative abilities to detoxify heavy metals - such as the mercury that comprises nearly 50% of Thimerosal’s chemical make-up. The findings show that higher levels of Thimerosal in the brains of autistic children (due to a reduced capacity to rid the body of mercury) leads to loss of long range connectivity among neurons as well as neuroinflammation, typical to that seen in autistic brains investigated via autopsy. Unfortunately, Thimerosal exposure within specific populations can lead to other neurological maladies including motor and phonic tics, speech and language delay, sleep disorders and precocious (early) puberty. http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/10/8/3771
-B-Lymphocytes from a Population of Children with Autism Spectrum Disorder and Their Unaffected Siblings Exhibit Hypersensitivity to Thimerosal, published in the Journal of Toxicology.
*Abstract: The role of thimerosal containing vaccines in the development of autism spectrum disorder (ASD) has been an area of intense debate, as has the presence of mercury dental Amalgams and fish ingestion by pregnant mothers. We studied the effects of thimerosal on cell proliferation and mitochondrial function from B-lymphocytes taken from individuals with autism, their nonautistic twins, and their nontwin siblings. Eleven families were examined and compared to matched controls. B-cells were grown with increasing levels of thimerosal, and various assays (LDH, XTT, DCFH, etc.) were performed to examine the effects on cellular proliferation and mitochondrial function. A subpopulation of eight individuals (4 ASD, 2 twins, and 2 siblings) from four of the families showed thimerosal hypersensitivity, whereas none of the control individuals displayed this response. The thimerosal concentration required to inhibit cell proliferation in these individuals was only 40% of controls. Cells hypersensitive to thimerosal also had higher levels of oxidative stress markers, protein carbonyls, and oxidant generation. This suggests certain individuals with a mild mitochondrial defect may be highly susceptible to mitochondrial specific toxins like the vaccine preservative thimerosal.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3697751/
-Thimerosal Papers: Papers Showing a Connection Between Thimerosal Exposure and Neurological Harm
http://www.ashotoftruth.org/thimerosal-papers
-Scientific Review of Vaccine Safety Datalink Inform
ation June 7-8, 2000 Simpsonwood Retreat Center Norcross, Georgia: http://putchildrenfirst.org/media/2.9.pdf.
If you are familiar with this transcripts here is a brief description. A secret meeting is held between CDC scientists and industry consultants (including representatives from vaccine manufacturers) at Simpsonwood, Georgia. At this meeting, the scientists and consultants discuss how to approach the initial data from the Verstraeten et al. (CDC) study showing a relationship between Thimerosal (mercury) exposure and autism incidence.
QUOTES FROM TRANSCRIPTS(if you feel these quotes are taken out of context, please read the entire transcript)
*Dr. Robert Chen (then head of the Immunization Safety Office of the CDC) stated, “We have been privileged so far that given the sensitivity of information, we have been able to manage to keep it out of, let's say, less responsible hands..." Concerning the data, there was an effort to develop statistical methodologies that would manipulate the data in such a fashion to remove the statistically significant relationship between Thimerosal and autism. Specifically, Dr. Philip Rhodes (NIP at the CDC) states, “So you can push, I can pull. But there has been substantial movement from this very highly significant result down to a fairly marginal result.”
*Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 40-41: “…we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes. First, for two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay, which has its own specific ICD9 code. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and six months of age, language and speech delays, which are two separate ICD9 codes. Exposures at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of these plus a number of other disorders."
Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: "We have asked you to keep this information confidential. We do have a plan for discussing these data at the upcoming meeting of the Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices on June 21 and June 22. At that time CDC plans to make a public release of this information so I think it would serve all of our interests best if we could continue to consider these data. The ACIP work group will be considering also. If we could consider these data in a certain protected environment. So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So to basically consider this embargoed information.”
Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 165: "Personally, I have three hypotheses. My first hypothesis is it is parental bias. The children that are more likely to be vaccinated are more likely to be picked and diagnosed. Second hypothesis, I don't know. There is a bias that I have not recognized, and nobody has yet told me about it. Third hypothesis. It's true, it's Thimerosal. Those are my hypotheses."
Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: "This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available. I do not believe the diagnoses justifies compensation in the Vaccine Compensation Program at this point. I deal with causality, it seems pretty clear to me that the data are not sufficient one way or the other. My gut feeling? It worries me enough. Forgive this personal comment, but I got called out of an eight o'clock for an emergency call and my daughter-in-law delivered her son by C-section. Our first male in the line of the next generation, and I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on. It will probably take a long time. In the meantime, and I know there are probably implications for this internationally, but in the meantime I think I want that grandson to only be given Thimerosal-free vaccines."
Dr. Weil of the AAP, pg. 207: "The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant. The positive relationships are those that one might expect from the Faroe Islands studies. They are also related to those data we do have on experimental animal data and similar to the neurodevelopmental tox data on other substances, so that I think you can't accept that this is out of the ordinary. It isn't out of the ordinary."
Dr. Clements, pg 247- 249: "I am really concerned that we have taken off like a boat going down one arm of the mangrove swamp at high speed, when in fact there was not enough discussion really early on about which was the boat should go at all. And I really want to risk offending everyone in the room by saying that perhaps this study should not have been done at all, because the outcome of it could have, to some extent, been predicted, and we have all reached this point now where we are left hanging, even though I hear the majority of consultants say to the Board that they are not convinced there is a causality direct link between Thimerosal and various neurological outcomes."
"I know how we handle it from here is extremely problematic. The ACIP is going to depend on comments from this group in order to move forward into policy, and I have been advised that whatever I say should not move into the policy area because that is not the point of this meeting. But nonetheless, we know from many experiences in history that the pure scientist has done research because of pure science. But that pure Science has resulted in splitting the atom or some other process, which is completely beyond the power of the scientists who did the research to control it. And what we have here is people who have, for every best reason in the world, pursued a direction of research. But there is not the point at which the research results have to be handled, and even if this committee decides that there is no association and that information gets out, the work that has been done and through the freedom of information that will be taken by others and will be used in ways beyond the control of this group. And I am very concerned about that as I suspect it already too late to do anything regardless of any professional body and what they say."
"My mandate as I sit here in this group is to make sure at the end of the day the 100,000,000 are immunized with DTP, Hepatitis B and if possible Hib, this year, next year and for many years to come, and that will have to be with Thimerosal containing vaccines unless a miracle occurs and an alternative is found quickly and is tried and found to be safe."
"So I leave you with the challenge that I am very concerned that this has gotten this far, and that having got this far, how you present in a concerted voice the information to the ACIP in a way they will be able to handle it and not get exposed to the traps which are out there in public relations. My message would be that any other study, and I like the study that has just been described here very much. I think it makes a lot of sense, but it has to be thought through. What are the potential outcomes and how will you handle it? How will it be presented to a public and media that is hungry for selecting the information they want to use for whatever means they in store for them?…but I wonder how on earth you are going to handle it from here."
Autism is caused by inflammation of the brain which is called: Encephalitis.
*FDA Vaccine Insert Lists Autism as Adverse Reaction:
http://experimentalvaccines.org/2014/04/04/fda-vaccine-insert-lists-autism-as...
* MMR Vaccine package insert list Encephalitis as an adverse reaction.
A.D.A.M. Medical Encyclopedia.
Encephalitis-Encephalitis is irritation and swelling (inflammation) of the brain, most often due to infections. Listed as cause:
Encephalitis is irritation and swelling (inflammation) of the brain, most often due to infections.
Encephalitis is a rare condition. It occurs more often in the first year of life and decreases with age. The very young and the elderly are more likely to have a severe case.
Encephalitis is most often caused by a viral infection. Many types of viruses may cause it. Exposure to viruses can occur through:
-Breathing in respiratory droplets from an infected person
-Contaminated food or drink
-Mosquito, tick, and other insect bites
-Skin contact
Different viruses will occur in different locations. Many cases will tend to cluster in a certain season.
Encephalitis caused by the herpes simplex virus is the leading cause of more severe cases in all ages, including newborns.
A number of viruses for which there is now a vaccine may also cause encephalitis. These include:
Measles
Mumps
Polio
Rabies
Rubella
Varicella (chickenpox)
Other viruses that cause encephalitis include:
Adenovirus
Coxsackievirus
Cytomegalovirus
Eastern Equine Encephalitis Virus
Echovirus
West Nile virus
What Pro-Vaccine Apologist fail to understand is it's not EXCLUSIVELY Thimerosal that cause Autism. Do a search of the package inserts of vaccines and it states Encephalitis.
Also vaccines are high contaminated as Janine Roberts wrote in her two books on the Vaccine Industry: "Fear of the Invisible: and "The Vaccine Papers". Roberts spent a decade attending vaccine meetings and conferences in the US and UK and reports disturbing information withheld from the public. The books provide transcripts, names sources and websites (if they haven't been changed). From "Fear of the Invisible"
Dr Andrew Lewis, head of the DNA Virus Laboratory in the Division of Viral Products, then warned. ‘All the egg-based vaccines are contaminated,' including ‘influenza, yellow fever and smallpox vaccines, as well as the vaccine for horses against encephalomyelitis virus' for ‘these fertilised chicken eggs are susceptible to a wide variety of viruses.'
This was an eye opener for me. Before I started on this investigation, if I thought about it, I would have presumed our vaccines were made of selected viruses in sterile fluid to which a small amount of preservative chemicals has been added. I think this is what most parents presume.
It was thus a shock to discover from this top-level scientific workshop that the viruses in our current vaccines are not in a sterile fluid as I had presumed, but in a soup of unknown bits and pieces, a veritable witches' brew of DNA fragments, added chemicals, proteins and, even possibly prions and oncogenes, all of which would easily pass through the filters used to be injected into our children.
Our vaccines, I thus learnt, are not filtered clean but are suspensions from the manufacturers' ‘incubation tanks' in which the viruses are produced from ‘substrates' of mashed bird embryo, minced monkey kidneys or cloned human cells. These suspensions are filtered before use but only to remove particles larger than viruses. The point of the vaccine is that it contains viruses, thus these must not be filtered out. This means there remains in the vaccine everything of the same size or smaller, including what the manufacturers call ‘degradation products' - parts of decayed viruses or cells.
I also learnt that the only official checks made for contaminants in vaccines are for a few known pathogens, thus ignoring a vast host of unknown, unstudied, small particles and chemicals. These eminent doctors reported at these vaccine safety meetings that it is simply impossible to remove these from our common vaccines - and this would of course also apply to vaccines for pets, farm animals and birds.
I went to the published reports of the MMR manufacturers and found these confirmed what the scientists at this workshop had reported. A manufacturer stated in 2000 that it made the MMR vaccine with ‘harvested virus fluids.' It stated frankly that their ‘Measles vaccine bulk is an unpurified product whose potency was measured through a biological assay for the active substance rather than through evaluation of integrity of physical form. Degradation products are neither identified nor quantified.' In other words, it left the latter in the measles vaccine along with all contaminants that lay there quietly, or worked slowly. The pharmaceutical company admitted checking the measles vaccine only for obviously active contaminates. It did not measure how much the vaccine was polluted with genetic code fragments, other viruses, or with parts of bacterial, animal, bird or human cells.
This is playing Russian Roulette with a loaded gun. Every shot is contaminated.
I will address the Japanese vaccination program later.
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