Date:   8/16/2013 7:34:48 AM ( 11 y ago)
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some good thoughts here and some misconceptions too.

Most people who do the flushes do not pass golf ball sized stones. There have been a very small few people who posted about passing stones this size. I think someone above was correct that some of these giant stones are in fact aggregrate smaller stones. So that takes care of most of the implausibility and skepticism of very large stones.

As has been said over and over in the debates, most of the stones are just coagulated/hardened bile. No one is disputing that.

If you ever bought beef liver at the market, you can easily see that some, maybe most, of them have very large tubes in them with scar tissue - this is where intrahepatic stones reside. This is exactly what happens in human livers too. Maybe human livers are more damaged, who knows. That said, intrahepatic stones are less likely and probably smaller than what is possible in the gall bladder.

A normal gall bladder is pear sized. Supersize that up to AMERICAN standards and you could have something the size of two pears. So easily large stones can form inside the gall bladder. So, can such a large stone actually pass through the cystic duct and then through the common bile duct? Well that is the 64,000 dollar question.

As Fectoid and others have posted, very very large stones are on record in medical literature as being passed naturally. It's up the to individual's belief system as to whether it is possible for THEM to pass something very large. There was an old post here about the size of medically implanted liver stents being very large. Ducts are made of smoothe muscle tissue and then definitely stretch.


Addressing the possibility of WHERE the stones are formed, or is it fresh bile formed inside the intestine. Very unikely to impossible:

Most people who do the full course of flushes report NO stones after a sufficient amount of time cleaning things out. If the theoty was correct that it is fresh bile forming into stool inside the intestines, then this would not be true. Actually the opposite would be true because there would be more bile, easily flowing into the intestine and such stones would form regularly and consistently with every flush.

Also, bile is a natural laxative. If you were to pass a lot of fresh liquid bile it would travel right through you very quickly. Some people have experienced this.

Also, most people are not so unintelligent that they can't see the difference between something that has been in them for decades vs. days. Some of these stones, even the coagulated bile stones are rock hard and completely dehydrated/crystallized.

Just like it is easy to tell the difference between passing impacted plaque from the intestines vs. passing normal stool, people can easily tell the difference between Gallstones and bile.

And this is not taking into account that some flushes do produce actual calcified gallstones.

The poster who talked about soap was exactly correct, you need a toxic amount of alkaline substance in order to make soap stones. It would literally kill you or burn your intestines out if you ingested anything like that. That theory is long debunked.

Grapefruit juice is acidic and would not cause any soap to form. Nor would magnesium in any amount.

As implausible as it seems to the uninitiated, most of the reports people recount are exactly true, and some people are passing very large things from their biliary system. I'm almost positive that some people are not aware that they are passing aggregate stones, formed by clumping together of smaller ones in the intestine.

Another bit: If one was already at the point of passing liquid bile in the flushes, then there would be no or very little health benefit to the flushes because the job of decongesting the liver is already done. Yet almost everyone has dramatic improvements in their health from the flushes. In fact the instructions are to stop once you do not pass anything hardened or sludgy.

Apple juice is a very effective way to clean the liver. Any juicing can potentially clean things out as well. It is probably better to see if you can do things without flushing first and resort to flushes when other things fail. But passing stones from apple juice does not in any way negate Liver Flushing as real. It's just an alternate method.

I like the concept of a middle ground theory, but it doesn't hold water.

Liver Flushes are very common on curezone, but in the big bad world they are extremely extremely uncommon. In the world of natural healing they are one of those most effective and profound things you can do for your health. This is why many of the top healers recommend them, because they realize the essential importance of liver health for every disease.
 

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