Date:   8/12/2013 3:47:07 PM ( 11 y ago)
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My question to you is "Why do you feel the need to frame your responses as Anti-Vac? How about INFORMED CONSENT! After all it is a Federal Law that Doctors, Hospitals and medical centers ignore. How about "INFORMED CHOICE", "RIGHT TO KNOW", "EDUCATE BEFORE YOU VACCINATE" What's wrong with telling the public what's in a syringe that's going to be injected into their children or themselves? Why do vaccine apologist engage in Conspiracy theories and coordinated website attacks whenever there is a vaccine article? What you are doing is INTERFERING with a family's right to know what's being injected into their child. You are conspiring to prevent a family's right to know that there is a problem with a drug/vaccine. How do you justify a vaccine company putting a drug/vaccine on the market THAT THEY KNOW IS DANGEROUS and they never tested it or checked? Two drugs come to mind: VIOXX-that puppy killed up to 140,000 people before it was yanked. It was said to be safe and effective. Last year MERCK was ordered to pay a $321 million criminal fine for improperly marketing it. Another example is the pertussis vaccine. The CDC wants you to believe that outbreaks of whooping cough are caused by unvaccinated children even though they know 1.outbreaks are caused by children who are vaccinated because of vaccine shedding 2. the pertussis shot doesn't work.
The Reuters report states:

A spokesperson for GSK, one of the pertussis vaccine makers, … GSK has never studied the duration of the vaccine’s protection after the shot given to four- to six-year-olds, the spokesperson said. ……

“We have a real belief that the durability (of the vaccine) is not what was imagined,” said Dr. David Witt, an infectious disease specialist at Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in San Rafael, California, and senior author of the study. …….

In early 2010, a spike in cases appeared at Kaiser Permanente in San Rafael, and it was soon determined to be an outbreak of whooping cough — the largest seen in California in more than 50 years. …..

Witt ….. What was very surprising was the majority of cases were in fully vaccinated children. ….. Of the 132 patients under age 18, 81 percent were up to date on recommended whooping cough shots …. “

Isn’t that fraud? Or because you you engage in the Conspiracy theory that "vaccines works" you just don't care.


If the industry was on the up an up why not:
-release the studies on all vaccines.
-tell the public there are no double blind placebo controlled independent studies on any vaccine.
-tell the public there are no studies which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?
-there is no scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?
-they have no idea how a vaccine is suppose to work.
-they can't provide scientific justification on how a vaccine would prevent viruses from mutating?
-they can't provide scientific justification as to how a vaccination can target a virus in an infected individual who does not have the exact viral configuration or strain the vaccine was developed for?

Why not tell the public on June 7-8, 2000 a secret conference was held at the Simpsonwood Conference Center in Norcross, Georgia. In attendance were 51 scientist representing the Vaccine Industry, Merck, GSK, representatives of pharmaceutical, a representative of the World Health Organization; the public and the media were unlawfully excluded. Discussed at this meeting was the fact that the rise in Autism which is now 1:50 coincided with the rise in the number of shots children are given. Couple of interesting points:
-At this meeting they never AGREEDED to remove mercury from vaccines. They agreeded to discuss it. MERCURY HAS NOT BEEN REMOVED FROM VACCINES. TRACE AMOUNTS ARE IN THEM. HOW MUCH IS A TRACE, THE DON'T HAVE TO SPECIFY UNDER LAW. TRADE SECRETS.
-also, the SCIENTIST keep confusing ethymercury with methylmercury. As a layperson, this is acceptable but as a top scientist it is not.
-the evidence of thimerosol is dangerous, causes autism and should be removed from vaccines, scientist agreed to discuss removing for Western distribution BUT will not remove it from vaccines going to third world countries. How compassionate of them.
- Several of the participants tried to imply that autism was a
genetic disorder and therefore could have nothing to do with
vaccines. Dr. Weil put that to rest with this comment,
“We don’t see that kind of genetic change in 30 years.”
In other words, how can we suddenly see a 300% increase in a
genetically related disorder over such a short period? It
is also known that there are two forms of autism, one that is apparent at birth and one that develops later in childhood. The former has not changed in incidence since statistics have been kept; the other is epidemic.
-Dr. Johnson tells the group of his concerns for his own grandchild. He says, (page 200) “Forgive this personal comment, but I got called out at eight o’clock for an emergency call and my daughter-in-law delivered via C-section. Our first male in and I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing will probably take a long time. In the meanwhile I think I want my grnadson given Thimerosal-free vaccines.”(apparently it's OK to poison other children).

Points I am trying to make, while you write all that information about VASERS and and the fact that Dr. Harper continues to publish on Gardasil means what? There are only going to be a handful of Doctors that actually submit VASERS reports, that's been stated repeatedly and those that do WILL NEVER state definitely that a vaccine harmed or killed anyone even if that person had a shot and dropped dead in their office. The autopsy will read sudden heart activity stoppage as cause of death. Dr. Harper took tremendous flak from the industry but I haven't seen a redaction of her statement.

The fact cannot be changed, there are no studies that state cervical cancer is caused by HPV. There are many factors that contribute to it including diet, lifestyle and sex partners. Children are at no risk for developing cervical cancer. Average age for a woman who develops CC is 45-48 as indicated by a CDC sheet before they removed it from their website. CC is caught on examination of a pap smear which will still be needed regardless of the vaccine. Parents, young women and men are not told that if indeed the shot works, which it's never been proven they will need boosters every 3-5 years however they really don't know yet. They are never told that the success of this shot (it's a long shot) will not be discovered for a minimum of 20 years. The fact that 90% of HPV infections clear without intervention is virtually ignored.
The fact that most so-called pre-cancerous lesions clear on their own is ignored.
The fact cervical cancer is nearly eradicated in most developed countries is ignored. Local oncogenic HPV type prevalence either not determined or ignored. FDA fast-track approval despite HPV vaccines not meeting criteria for fast-tracking.
HPV infections are morphed into ‘inevitable cancer threats.’
Public relations campaigns to create unwarranted fear of cervical cancer death. Massive political lobbying to create vaccine acceptance/permanent markets ex: Texas

Until you can provide verifiable data that this shot prevents cervical cancer, that cervical cancer is caused by HPV and is not dangerous people are going to continue to seek information outside of the vaccine industry CDC PR campaign. The only thing IMHO your response provided was smoke and mirrors.


 

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