Date:   1/9/2013 9:39:45 AM ( 11 y ago)
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I'm glad you're feeling much better. Me too! I'm not saying supps can't be helpful to anyone. More directing my message to those I see that have spent months or years trying every supplement on the shelf with little to no improvement like what I went through. I don't really see this here on the adrenal fatigue forum. I see a few like that maybe but not the majority. I don't think it is fair to jump all over the newcomer about their diet. I think a better approach is to share your own personal story and how certain things have helped you personally.

Don't get me wrong about what I say about diet advice. When I say "plant-based," I don't necessarily mean vegan or even full raw. I still eat some cooked food and small amounts of eggs and fish. If I said "animal-based," I'm sure people wouldn't think I meant a 100% all meat diet. I just recommend people go in the direction of eating plant-based (because it healed my worse health problem) and then it's up to them to find their perfect balance as you seem to have found. No offense but your worst symptom of hypoglycemic symptoms are not really that serious. Try not being able to get out of bed for several days or being house bound for months on end.

The language and websites all have to do with a vegan diet. Perhaps if that isn't what you mean than don't use that language or refer people to those websites.

I do have adrenal fatigue, along with insomnia problems and gallbladder disease. It's all slowly improving with the plant-based diet from over a decade of eating an animal-based diet. Ok so we understand that you are still sick.

I do listen a lot to the high-fruit raw vegans who run 30bananasaday.com and also Dr. Doug Graham because that high-fruit lifestyle is relatively new to me and fascinating and I like to here all sides. The 30bad couple seem to be exceptionally healthy and have healed themselves with that lifestyle, along with a lot of members there, from a lot of illnesses people have been struggling with here. Not saying that lifestyle will work for everyone, but if it seems to have worked exceptionally well for some, might not be a bad idea to at least look into it. Even though you guys see me recommending their site and for people to look into what they have to say, I always try to be careful in saying that I don't necessarily recommend go full raw or vegan, but go towards that direction from a heavy meat and fat diet because it worked from me.

Would like to ask you more about with you were raw vegan. The 30bad couple and Dr. Graham always stress the importance of eating enough and remind people the #1 mistake of a raw vegan lifestyle is not getting enough calories. The guy Durianrider from 30bad said that was his biggest mistake at first and he and his girlfriend mention in every one of their videos the importance of eating enough and not calorie-restricting. Here you go again with the vegan terminology. I get that you are overzealous about a diet you have just started. Why not give it 6 months to a year before you start telling every poster that this is the magical bullet diet! Why not hang out on vegan forums and you can all extol the miracles of this diet together.

When you look back to when you were eating that way, do you know if you were eating enough calories? They recommend at least 2,500 cal for women and at least 3,000 cal for men, which the average person might think is too high and even some raw vegans complain is too high. I still have some difficulty reaching that minimum sometimes, partly due to my digesting still being weak from my previous toxic animal-based lifestyle. You see how you keep putting down meat. As soon as anyone posts that they are meat eaters you automatically go on this tirade about an "animal based lifestyle" as though it was the worst dietary mistake ever. I eat 60gms of animal protein per day. Do you consider that I am living an animal-based lifestyle?

Another gross error you keep repeating is this blanket statement about calorie guidelines for men and women. When I was housebound and very sick I would gain weight on 1500 calories per day. Everyone is different and the number of calories burned are the number of calories required. Now that I am well I am getting by quite nicely on 2000 per day. Probably average for a 50 yr old woman. Calories needed will go up or down depending on level of activity.

By the way are you female/male and what age?

When I researched the people who complained about the high-fruit raw vegan lifestyle failing them, almost always I see signs that they simple didn't eat enough. Not saying that's what happened in your case, I would still be conservative in saying vegan is not sustainable for everyone, but I just have to ask since the evidence as I see it does seem to point that calorie insufficiency is why most people fail with raw vegan.

The vegan diet is a self imposed starvation. My hubby looked like a prison camp survivor after two years and his hair went completely white. He looked 10 years older than he was. He has gained 20 lbs and 75% of his hair went back to his brown colour. I looked very old and pale 1 year ago. We both had severe tissue breakdown also known as catabolism and were instructed to increase protein consumption.

Also do you and have you monitored your glucose readings when you feel hypoglycemic? What are you levels? You have asked me this so many times! Plus sent me pm's. Yet again I will respond that I have had this verified with hair analysis. |My cal/mag ratio confirms this on the last 3 tests and I no longer have any of these symptoms.

Don't mean to get into the debate, just trying to figure all this out and can't do that unless I start asking questions! I too am not interested in getting into a debate. I have only learned from people's personal experience with healing. I'm not really interested in what you may have read but more interested about your personal experience. I will be very interested in how you are doing in 1 year on this "plant-based diet". 

I think you mean well but you should ask yourself why other members are calling you a troll. You have also had several posts deleted by moderators. Might be time to take stock of your posting style.

May you be blessed with abundant health.

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