Date:   12/11/2012 8:55:43 PM ( 12 y ago)
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Rainy, I don't want to keep getting drug into all this. I truly want to walk away and be done with getting into these kinds of debates.
This was not about you bragging in anyway. I've never thought of you as a bragger, quite the opposite.
Thorn was just wanting to present biblical scriptures for testing whether or not someone is truly speaking in tongues.

When I first met Thorn, he would tell me about his speaking in tongues experiences. He would use that same line of thought, that no one could deny an experience. Later when he came to know the biblical truth about speaking in tongues, he admitted that he was just emotionally manipulated into believing it was real. Emotional manipulation is extremely powerful. He said he started to question the realness of his tongues experiences when he was at a secular concert, where what was being sung was nothing about God, and he felt those same emotions that he felt when he thought he was speaking in tongues at church.

Experience cannot be the authority, scripture must be. If you have not spoken in tongues according to the strict standards laid out in scripture, then it really wasn't the gift of tongues as scripture talks about.

I also listened to the John MacArthur sermon again today on Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. He in no way denied the gifts of the Spirit and even said something about the gifts of the Spirit. He also in no way denied the power of the Holy Spirit, or God. He even talked about the Holy Spirit having equal power to God. What he was denying was the supernatural manifestations that the charismatics and the people in the NAR movement talk about, as he believes those movements are deeply heretical as I do.

None of this was about the pleasure of putting anyone down. I came in here the other day just to put up that quote I found that I thought was good. One thing led to another and it ended up a very heated debate. That happens in this fallen world sometimes. One day everything will be peaceful and I long for that day immensely.

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