Date:   6/4/2012 12:12:49 AM ( 12 y ago)
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At the end of the day Hv, we can't stop the mudslingers from slinging their mud at whomever they choose. Perhaps they have nothing better to do. Or perhaps they make a living selling iodine etc. Joining them and slinging mud back will only hurt you in the end.

Yes, I could have handled the personal attacks against me differently.  I am just so tired of the personal attacks being allowed to go on against me for the over 3 years I have been here on Curezone.  And even more tired of constantly being blamed for what other people start.  Are people really so lazy that they cannot find the little energy required to look up the threads and see who really started the attacks rather than denying the attacks against me ever existed so they can make me out to be the bad guy?  And it is not just the personal attacks against myself.  I have watched these same people attacking me relentlessly doing the same thing to other people on Curezone.  This is why we have lost so many great posters.  They got fed up with the fact that the rules were not being enforced against certain groups of people who were continually violating the Terms of Service.  And people are going to continue leaving or simply lurking until the Webmaster finally wakes up from the coma and decides to actually do something about the problem!

For myself, I'm not part of "the group", nor have I been one of your close followers. I tend to believe a lot of what MH Barefoot says about health, over and above anyone else on Curezone.

I have only read a few of his posts so I am not familiar with his protocols.

He is often ridiculed because he's not a great speller and doesn't have a high level of formal education. But I've improved my health more by reading and following the old medical authors and the Ask Barefoot forum than from nearly anything else I've ever read or experienced.

(There's another thing that's helped me beyond imagining, but most people don't seem to want to hear about it, so I don't talk much about it.)

But IMO, formal education means little or nothing when it comes to finding health. Animals in the wild know instinctively how to heal. And I think that "answers" are given to people in many ways other than through formal education.

I agree to a large extent.  Look at where most of our pharmaceutical drugs come from.  They are made from herbs or based on the chemistry of herbs.  And how do the pharmaceutical companies generally figure out what herbs to test for potential drugs.  They check with the local healers, such as shamans, to see what herbs they use and for what purposes.  These healers don't have formal education either but they know a hell of a lot more about healing than any college student will ever learn.

In fact, formal education can be a hindrance because of all the false ideas that are taught, mixed in with "truth".

Yes, again I agree to a large extent.  But a person can have a formal education and still have enough mindset to think for themselves to weed through the garbage.  Just like here on Curezone.  There are those who blindly follow and those who will think for themselves and research the claims to validate or dispute them.

Probably the only reason that MH is still on Curezone and hasn't been "run off" is that he stays in his own forum. He rarely posts on the other forums anymore. And every day, he faithfully posts answers to virtually every new thread started on his forum.

People should not have to be "shoved in to a box" though.  These are supposed to be "public" forums where different ideas and opinions can be expressed.  This is not the case though.  Instead you have a few that are controlling what can and cannot be said here on Curezone.  Again, can I or anyone else express the potential dangers of iodine or "liver flushing" on those related forums?  Not at all!!!  Censorship is rampant here on Curezone.  I find it particularly ironic that Trapper is supposedly anti-censorship.  Yet he conducts his own form of censorship.  Lately he has posted numerous personal attacks against me in an attempt to shut me.  Just like support takes many forms, so does censorship.  It is just like when people here the word abuse in regards to relationships or family members they tend to think of physical abuse.  But again abuse takes on many forms.  A person can be emotionally abused.  Or a child can abuse elderly parents by stealing money from them.  We don't live in a black and white world.  There are many ways to impose censorship on someone as well as many ways to personally attack someone.  Some comments that have been directed at me may not seem like attacks on the surface, but an attack is an attack no matter how subtle it is.

As far as the prevailing opinions of posters on Curezone, we can't change them. The more we try, the more they will resist. It's kind of like religion.

You hit it on the head right there.  The problem is that certain groups here on Curezone treat their protocols like religions.  The "liver flushers" the iodine supporters, the parasite groups, the ones that think that anyone with mercury amalgams will die if they don't chelate heavily, etc.  Challenge their belief system even in the slightest bit and you are considered a demon from hell.

If you had tried to "convert" me away from my religious beliefs 20 years ago, you would have hit a brick wall. But my views on religion changed radically ten years ago, only because I was ready to change them myself and the right person came into my life to show me what I needed to learn.

And there are people here that may be in the same boat you were in 10 years ago.  But the people who come here and try to present a different view than what is accepted is automatically banned and the dogs sent out to attack.

What if there was only religion in the entire world so that was all people were taught and believed.  Let's say their God was a popsicle.  And along comes someone who can think for themselves and does a little research.  So this person says, but wait, if this popsicle is our God that created everything then who created the popsicle?  This person would be persecuted to the hilt for questioning their religion and actually providing evidence to back the claim.  Just like what has happened to me for questioning "religions" like "liver flushing" or taking excessive and dangerous doses of iodine.

The big problem though is that people tend to die when blindly following any religion.

As far as newcomers to Curezone potentially being led astray, we can't control this. All we can do is trust that the universe will provide every individual with what they need.

I am not trying to control anything.  I am trying to provide balanced viewpoints with evidence to people can make rational choices rather than blindly following potentially dangerous advice.  But again, this is not allowed.  What is allowed is anything the moderators of most forums agree with even if it has been proven to be BS.  And again I don't think these people realize how much this discredits Curezone overall.  If people are going to get their health information from heavily biased one-sided opinions then they might as well get their health information from hyped up sales sites.   At least there would be a lot less to weed through.  If people want to get the best health information though then all viewpoints and evidence needs to be allowed so that people can see the evidence and decide for themselves what is right for them.  Constantly attacking people to shut them up or chase them away, banning people from boards for posting different opinions and moving or deleting posts that the moderator does not agree with are just all forms of censorship designed to make sure that only a one-sided narrow view be presented.  That does not benefit anyone but scammers.

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