Date:   5/13/2012 5:46:05 PM ( 12 y ago)
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You say-

"The ducts cannot expand that far no matter how much magnesium you take to relax them."

What magnesium? I don't take ANY magnesium. My massage therapist has been stretching his ear lobes with little ear rings that look like tires. He has slowly increased the size of the ear rings over the 3 years I have known him. And now the hole that was once a simple piercing is about an inch and a half in diameter.

So what?  Why do people keep trying to compare other body parts to the ducts assuming they can be stretched the same?  Arteries can stretch out as well.  They are called aneurysms. What to guess what happens when they rupture?
You say-

"How come people keep passing large "stones" with such frequent "flushing" when the gallbladder is not that large, real stones that size cannot pass through the ducts and they don't even have time to grow real stones to that size between "flushes"?""

I think this may be because they are not doing a thorough flush the first time.
Most of them are using the wimpy flushes with pitiful results.

That would not explain the claims of passing considerably larger volumes of stones than the gallbladder can even hold.  You cannot fit a gallon of water in to 1 cup measuring cup.  Nor does it explain how people are supposedly passing stones that are considerably larger than the ducts are capable of expanding.  Or why these stones do not have the color, consistency, hardness or shape of real gallstones.  They do of saponified olive oil and cholesterol-sterol complexes though.  Furthermore, real gallstones do not melt as people have reported these do.  And when actually analyzed by a lab they were found to be saponified olive oil.  Even the test using dyed olive oil proves they were formed in the intestines since the dye never reaches the liver or gallbladder and the dye would not be able to soak in to real stones anyway.  Yet there are the specks of dye from the oil in the middle of these soap stones once again proving they did not come from the liver or gallbladder.

The first time I flushed, I fasted on nothing but organic apple juice for three days, then drank a pint of lemon juice and olive oil combined. When I have followed up with flushes that do not require fasting first or as much lemon juice and olive oil, I have not gotten as much sludge out as when I stuck to my original recipe macho flush recipe.

Sludge is not the same as "stones".

You say-

"How do you explain the fact that they were rubbery balls? Real gallstones that large are not only calcified making them very hard, they are faceted from grinding on other gallstones."

Every medical explanation of gall stones I have ever read clearly states that they do not show up in x-rays or sonograms until they have calcified into rocks.

Which they do as they grow in size, which also happens to be an EXTREMELY slow process.  They don't grow in a week, more like years.  So again, how can people keep passing these so-called "stones" from the gallbladder when their total volume exceeds the entire size of the gallbladder and they are doing this weekly?  Even simple common sense should tell people these are not gallstones.  And they are not liver stones either.  Liver stones are extremely rare and are typically only seen in Asian countries.

When I was a kid my grandmother had to have a gall bladder operation. They took a gall stone out of her that was the size of a grapefruit. She was in her 70's. It takes many years for gallstones to calcify. They sit in the ducts for years before they get hard,

They don't sit in the ducts, which is why real gallstones are not called duct stones.  They grow in the gallbladder where they grow extremely slow and calcifying as they grow.  So larger stones are not "rubbery" they are rock-like and as I pointed out earlier faceted, not rounded.

which explains why they form in rings like trees, which you still have not addressed...

Actually I did.  They are congealed layers.

How can they have rings like trees when you cut them in half, if they form over night???? Huh? Huh?

Once again, explained above.  It does not take days, weeks or years to form layers.

And another question for you... How could Olive Oil turn into a sticky rubber ball that smells 10 million years old

The only things I have smelled that are 10 million years or older are my fossils and even older meteorites.  They really don't have much of a smell.

in about 5-6 hours,

Now bacteria being trapped in the oil leading to an anaerobic environment can react on things in the feces creating quite a stink in a very short period of time.  Especially with the addition of body heat and moisture.  Want to prove it to yourself?  Take a jar and warm it up to push out the oxygen.  Then put some feces in there and cap it quickly while the jar is still hot to keep as much oxygen out as possible.  Now store that jar at 98.6F for the next 5-6 hours then open it and smell it.  Guarantee that it is going to smell like something died a long time ago!

and hold that texture, when you have to put it in the refrigerator to make it solidify and the temperature of the body is 97.2???

You just proved my earlier point again.  Real gallstones do not melt.  So why would people have to harden them by making them cold if they are real gallstones?  Soap stones from saponified olive oil melt, but not real gallstones.

PS-

Regarding your comment about the volume of stones people are getting out-





My mother had an enlarged heart and they did surgery to reduce it.

And?....  This has nothing to do with it.  Heart enlargement results from more work the heart has to do usually as a result of a narrowing or blockage. Since the heart has to work harder as a result the heart muscle thickens just like lifting weights can enlarge your muscles by making them work harder.  But the gallbladder is smooth muscle, not cardiac muscle or skeletal muscle so comparing them is ridiculous.  That would be as ridiculous as saying people that exercise frequently will have thicker arterial  walls because of the extra work they have to do.  This is not controlled by their work load but rather their nutritional profile.

PSS I agree with you about mentioning the minute possibility of a stone getting stuck in a duct, in case the person happens to be one of the one in one hundred

One in 100 is hardly minute.  Especially considering how dangerous this is if it happens.  Such an event can lead to pancreatitis and require emergency surgery:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1864937#i

who needed to fast longer than 3 days on apple juice in order to flush safely, and I do not use any of the flushes on cure zone because they do not recommend drinking apple juice for three days prior, nor as much lemon juice and olive oil as produces good results.

Passing soap stones and sterol-cholesterol complexes is hardly "good results".  Luckily, most of the people passing these soap stones and sterol-cholesterol complexes do not have real gallstones in the first place so the risk of lodging a real stone in the ducts is low based on that fact. Still it is a risky practice since most people don't know if they have gallstones or not.

As additional evidence look up the test the former poster Spud did.  She had an ultrasound first confirming there were no gallstones then did the "flush".   She passed the soap stones just like everyone else.  They could not have been gallstones since she did not have any.  And don't try to argue that the ultrasound cannot pick them up, I already addressed that myth in the responses to her post.

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