Date:   12/22/2011 6:46:57 PM ( 13 y ago)
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Thanks, Hv! I'm beginning to see the issues now. I've been Googling the other side - the opinions *against* progesterone. I am alarmed in particular by this article:

http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za/progesteronecancer.html#cancer_risks_revealed

It says that progesterone is more carcinogenic than estrogen! Is that true? I wonder if these researchers are funded by Big Pharma and so are creating biased or untrue results.

[Quote Hv]
Progesterone will antagonize estrogen, but it is also a precursor for estrogen. If enough of the built up progesterone converts to estrogen then you would still be back to the same initial problem of more estrogen than progesterone to control it.
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For elderly women who have very little progesterone, such as my aunt (73 years old) who has estrogen dominant breast cancer, does this apply? What determines how much progesterone is converted to estrogen? If the progesterone is from the body's own production (i.e. induced by Vitex and not coming from external sources), doesn't the body regulate the conversion so that not too much is converted to estrogen as to be dangerous?

[Quote Hv]
Supplementing is way different than allowing the body to generate its own. Progesterone creams allow progesterone to build up in the fat tissue leading to progesterone dominance and its side effects. Just like any other hormone replacement therapy levels cannot be controlled and thus the risk of side effects is much greater. If there is an imbalance then there are natural and safer ways to correct the imbalance rather than risking imbalance from synthetic pharmaceutical progesterone supplementation.
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Vitex simply induces the body to produce more progesterone on its own. Does it have these side effects, too? Could Vitex probably induce too much progesterone production in my aunt as to make her progesterone dominant?

[Quote Hv]
The progesterone is not natural. It is synthesized in a lab. The fact that they keep blatantly lying about this fact calls the rest of their claims in to question.
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I thought it was Progestin that was synthetic, not the bioidentical progesterone processed out of diosgenin plant sterol from wild yam, which is what is referred to as "natural progesterone"?

[Quote Hv]
Ovarian cancer is another HPV associated cancer, and progesterone activates the HPV virus.
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Does progesterone do this only if it is dominant or even if it is not?

[Quote Hv]
Vitex in low enough doses would not significantly increase progesterone. But people tend to think if a little is good more must be better.
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How long would it be safe to take Vitex? The Vitex that I bought is 400 mg per capsule. I bought 3 bottles with 100 capsules per bottle for a total of 300 capsules. I'm planning a dosage for my aunt of 3 capsules daily for 10 weeks. After 10 weeks, the dosage is to be reduced to one capsule daily. Calculating, it would take 23 weeks to consume the 3 bottles. Is this safe enough? If not, what dosage and length of time would you suggest?

In summary, the most important thing I'd like to know is, should I return the Vitex (which I would not like to do at this point) or can it still be useful?

Thanks again!

 

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