Date:   10/31/2011 7:51:49 AM ( 13 y ago)
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 I do sort of agree with the anti-soy stuff. I ate soy for YEARS when I was vegan and it damaged my thyroid

Are you aware of how many things can suppress the thyroid?  For example, flax seed that is a major goitrogen.  Problem is that people read the bogus anti-soy propaganda and therefore automatically assume the soy must have been the cause.  Since nearly all soy is fermented and/or cooked, both of which destroy the goitrogenic activity in foods, soy really is not as big of a factor in hypothyroidism as the anti-soy proponents have made it out to be.

AND I became intolerant to it. It's hard to find a non-GMO soy.

People can develop an intolerance to most anything.  This really is not a soy issue.  And as much as I don't like the idea of GMO either I can still think of plenty of things in our food supply that I would worry about a lot more than GMO such as the lead in wine, the mercury and PCBs in fish, the antibiotics, hormones, heavy metals, etc. in various animal food sources...........

I am also confused as to why SCD despises Bifidus. Here is an article I found on why:
This is where GAPS and SCD really seem to differ:

http://gapsfacts.com/bifidus.html


Also, some quotes from SCD'ers:
-"inclusion of bifidus can result in overgrowth, when not kept in check by optimal composition of strains, thus it is best to avoid for now"
-"the bifidus itself becomes the overgrowth, and I think that is why Elaine was suggesting its removal from the diet. The articles all point to bifidus as being an aggressive microbe, and that without the proper balance of various strains, it can become the SIBO. A 'healthy' gut it said to contain 300-500 strains, and up to 1,000 trillion ( 1 quadrillion) living microbial cells. Antibiotics can off set that, as can other pharmaceuticals, chemicals, foods, food poisoning, possibly genetics and auto-immune diseases, and other life situations. So achieving balance, can be difficult to achieve, to recognize, or even to maintain. Also, bifidus is definitely not the only aggressive strain. Further, as you probably know, SCD actually helps to control some strains of microbes by simply starving them out. And some foods can kill bad strains, ie: coconut kills candida albicans. Again, I believe that is why they are suggesting staying clear of that more aggressive strain.

I addressed a lot of this in the other response I did of how they have read way too much in to Petri dish studies to come to their conclusions, which is ridiculous.

But here is another great point.  Which of the numerous Bifidus strains is the "aggressive strain"?  Is this a normal strain found in the human body?  If not, is this strain what they were referring to in the Petri dish studies they are relying on?

I personally drink cultured beverages including kombucha & water-kefir (among others) to increase the amount of microbial strains going into my body. These two combined offer me close to 80 different strains. These different strains do much to help me achieve balance. Plus, any raw fruit or veggie also automatically comes with its own set of microbes, so I include lots of that, and simply for the microbes, and the fiber that feeds them." [This person contradicts herself b/c kombucha and kefir are not legal on SCD....and these drinks contain bifidus!]

This is another reason I think these strict diets are ridiculous.  The people who design these simply see what they want to see to fit their arguments for their diets while ignoring the contradictions.

Do u feel that SCD needs to be "updated," since the founder died a few years ago and scientific studies have advanced since then regarding probiotics? Perhaps that is why GAPS was put into practice...it took the good from SCD, but updated it to include "the latest findings?"

They could try to update it, but who is going to decide what should be included and deleted?  People get stuck in their belief systems, such as we have seen time and time again with the anti-soy proponents and the "liver flush" supporters.  No matter how much evidence that gets presented to them they refuse to give up their old outdated and disproven belief systems.

And, I find it hard to believe that honey and fruit would not feed candida and pathogens. Those simple sugars are instant fuel for them. pathogens would rather use "easy/quick" fuel than to have to expend the energy to break down complex carbs.

Honey contains a lot of sucrose, no different from table sugar other that the fact it is in a liquid state.  This and the other sugars in honey would definitely feed Candida.  Same for fruit.  Have these people ever heard of honey and fruits being fermented by yeasts in to alcohols?!!!  Again, this is why I don't follow these ridiculous diets.  Too often they are full of wild, unsubstantiated claims.

SCD does allow lots of veggies, which contains fibers to feed the good flora.

Including Bifidus strains.  So another contradiction on their part.

They also allow almond flour

And again, what about the sugar content?:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/90491-nutrition-information-almond-flour/

"A serving of almond flour contains 6 g of carbohydrates and 1 g of sugars. White wheat flour, on the other hand, has about 24 g of carbohydrates and no sugars."

and coconut flour

Again what about the sugar content if they are worried about Candida?

and such. Brans are not the only foods that feed flora.

Most of the foods in GAPS are cooked...I have yet to see anything that recommends lots of raw foods, unless the person is very advanced into the diet.

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