Date:   9/23/2011 9:05:22 AM ( 13 y ago)
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 >- But the body RARELY goes acidic or alkaline.

The few hundred here that are concerned may just be that rare exception. I was.

Always possible.  I don't know enough of your history to say one way or the other.

>- the information being spouted by so many is wrong.

Yeah, CisPlat is great stuff!

If you say so.  Not my cup of tea.

>- Acidity does not cause disease

It is a symptom of the disease.

In the case of cancer yes.  But that is not what a lot of the alkalinizing sites are claiming.  They are claiming it is the cause, which is not true.

>- alkalinity actually turns on the Candida growth gene and converts Candida from a benign yeast form in to a highly aggressive and pathogenic fungal form

So, why did my Candida problem decrease as I became more alkaline?

How do you know you were more alkaline?  Did you monitor your pH with blood tests since that is the only way to determine actual blood pH?

I struggled with it for years. Got rid of a lot but it kept wanting to come back. After alkalizing, I was able to control candida and it is not a problem any longer. Also got rid of other fungal problems. My early morning urine pH was around 5.6 which is a definite indication of systemic problems.

No, it is not.  Simple dehydration can lower urinary pH as can numerous other non-health issues.

Many of my problems went away once I got it up to around 6.8 to 7.0.

Again, urinary pH is not an accurate indicator of either blood pH or health.

As for how whatever you did helped your Candida it could be something as simple as more plant fiber in your diet for your flora to ferment generating more anti-Candida ACIDS.  Again, a very well known concept of how things work in the body that can be found in textbooks or from medical sites on the internet.

>- In fact cancer cells actually rely on alkalinity to survive and proliferate

Misleading at best. I took a lab course in immunology and serology and as a part of the course, we had to culture cancer cell lines. One big requirement of the task --- Keep the pH below 7.36 ??? Why was that when a normal serum pH is 7.38 to 7.42 ? The higher alkalinity reduced the growth of tumor cell lines.

Not misleading at all.  Just another well known fact that can be easily found by searching the medical journals.

By the way I have two points for you to consider.  1.  What happens in cell cultures does not necessarily mean the same will happen in the body.  Immunology and Serology 101.  2.  As you say below "go pick up an old outdated textbook and you will find that much of what was presented as fact is now known to be wrong".  Yes, we have learned a lot about the human body in the last 50, 40, 30, 20, even 10 years.  For example, the fact that alkalinity prevents cancer cell apoptosis and increases cancer cell proliferation in the body, and there is an acidic shift associated with apoptosis.  So classes can be outdated just like textbooks, which is why we have to keep up on current studies.

>- extremely rare since the body has so many redundant systems to maintain its pH

Yes, like erroding the bones.

Demineralization of bones is a last resort by the body to address acidosis.

I am certai that no one here suffers from or will ever suffer from osteoporosis! Calcium is used to maintain alkalinity and if it is not present in sufficient amounts, it will be removed from the bone, causing a reduction in bone density.

Again, you need to get out of your old outdated ideas.  First of all calcium is hardly the only mineral involved in bone density and it is far from the most important.  Secondly, osteoporosis IS NOT a result of mineral loss.  Those are osteopenia and osteomalacia.  Osteoporosis results from a loss of collagen matrix, not a loss of calcium.  I am almost done with my book on osteoporosis, osteomalacia and osteoarthritis.  You may want to add it to your library when I am done.  I have a complete chapter on the chemistry of bone and another on the anatomy and physiology that explains all of this in detail.

The lower the blood pH, the fasted bone is dissolved. The left over phosphate is excreted by the kidneys making the urine more acid.

Again,  bone minerals are only used as a LAST RESORT by the body to buffer acids.  A person would have to be in very serious acidosis for this to occur, which again is very rare.

Since you brought up phosphorus though you may want to look in to the role of phosphorus in hyperparathyroidism and pseudohyperparathyroidism, since this will explain a lot about bone demineralization to you.

By the way, how do you explain the increased acidity of the urine by phosphate when the alkaline calcium is also excreted through the urine.

>- Maintaining pH by dealing with acids or bases is nothing wrong, it is normal part of everyday metabolism.

No, the problem is when it fails. What you fail to accept, is that some of the sickest, most desparate people in the world are here seeking help for their problems because the real quack doctors want to tell them that they have mental problems and prescribe prozac or zoloft or some placebo.

And again, failures of the buffering system are EXTREMELY rare, which is why we rarely see true cases of acidosis and alkalosis.

Since you have never had this problem, you do not know the whole story and you are misleading them by telling them your mainstream propoganda.

It is not propaganda, it is facts.  Being that you have a medical background I am surprised that you have not bothered to verify the information being presented rather than just dismissing it because it does not fit your narrow outdated views.  You don't even need to go dust off your textbooks.  There are easy ways to look up the current information such as Medline.

People can easily upset their acid-alkaline balance by smoking ( excess CO2 ),

And how many breaths do you think it takes to exhale the amount of CO₂ you would get from a cigarette? Come on, get real.

consuming excess amounts of phosphoric acid ( Coke, pepsi, and other sodas ),

Not all sodas contain phosphoric acid., that is another common myth.  Phosphoric acid is found in colas.

excess sugars that are known to be converted to acids, especially when the body is not functioning properly.

Proteins form in to uric acid and can contain uric acid and lactate.  In addition protein sources such as beef and dairy are high in acidic phosphorus.  Then there is the fact that the body can convert a number of things in to sugar including protein and fats, or lactate through the Cori cycle.  So your point?  How do you plan to avoid sugars in your diet or preventing your body from generating sugars?

And apparently you do not realize that there are differences in acids.  Yep, not all acids are the same!  In fact we not only need acids to survive but also to exist.  Think about all the acids we require.  Amino acids, fatty acids, lactic, acetic, pyruvic, citric, malic, glucuronic, hydrochloric, hyaluronic, etc., etc., etc.

Then there are the number of acids that help to heal the body, fight cancer, heal the body, etc.  Betulinic, chlorogenic, tannic, ascorbic, usinic, etc., etc., etc.  People have become way too "acid phobic" with all the acid is evil propaganda sites.

Once again, for every single hormone, enzyme, mineral, or any other compound in the body, there is an optimum temperature, and an optimum pH among other factors. The immune system exponentially degrades in performance below a pH of 7.38 . NK cells that are responsible for stopping cancer function poorly at a pH of 7.35 to 7.36 and function far better at 7.39 to 7.42.

Which again is why the body regulates its pH so tightly through a number of mechanisms.  And since defects in this process are so rare we RARELY see true acidosis or alkalosis.  Again the propaganda sites claiming the opposite have no clue what they are talking about.

There are perfect natural cases for pH vs cancer as well as other illness.

Unsubstantiated.

There are areas with highly alkaline water containing combinations of calcium, magnesium, cesium, and/or rubidium. In these areas, cancer is super rare, almost non-existant.

Another common myth commonly spread by the alkaline propaganda sites.  If that were the case then we should not have any cancer where I live considering how hard our water is and how super alkaline our soils are.

One thing that I know is that I concocted an alkaline mineral water and drank it. This raised my early morning urine pH and soon after, many of my health issues became unapparent.

Maybe you were dehydrated.  In addition, as I have pointed out so many times feeling better does not mean that one is better.  A person can take alkaline water for GERD and it will do the same thing as a Tums.  It will make one feel better, but it will make the underlying condition worse and aggravate the problem in the long run.

>- many of the people here are CZ are completely ignorant on the subject.

Go pick up an old outdated textbook and you will find that much of what was presented as fact is now known to be wrong. There is still a lot wrong in todays text books.

And again, that is why we have to keep up on the current research, which I do.  We cannot simply rely on old textbooks or college classes that were taken who knows when.

I will offer one piece to support this. From the day I was born until I was over 50 years old, I spent 18 years in school and most of the rest of the time learing from books. Not once in those fifty years was it ever mentioned that electricity might kill bacteria, protozoa, fungi, etc. Now I know that it can be done in some cases with as little as 1.5 volts from a AAA battery. At the same time, there had been machines in the 1800's that could do this and possibly as far back as ancient Egypt and Baghdad.

Not everything is in the text books and some of what is there is definitely wrong.

LOL!!!  Do you know when the original electrotherapy started?  It dates back to ancient Greek and Roman days where they would use the high voltage shocks of electric eels to cure disease.  I learned that from a book over 25 years ago.  Information is out there if one looks.

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