Date:   8/20/2011 9:13:43 AM ( 13 y ago)
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 It wasn't everyone on curezone who started this trend. It was a single person. The same person who has revived the 'stones are formed in the intestines from saponified oil' theory.

ROTFLMAO!!!  Thanks for admitting that I presented real evidence to the fact that they are saponified olive oil.  What has been presented by the liver flush supporters is nothing more than the liver flush gallstone hypothesis.  You should look up the difference between a hypothesis such as "liver flushing" and claims backed by evidence such as the fact that what people are primarily passing are soap stones.

The theory was debunked solidly by the founders of curezone, Andreas, and many others (myself included). But still the same person persisted.

Debunked? In what alternate universe?  I presented so much PROOF that fecal soaps do in fact exist and are common knowledge despite your denials.  I also provided all sorts of evidence that the liver flushes are bogus.  So far neither you, nor anyone else on Curezone have provided even the slightest shred of proof that those big squishy blobs are real gallstones.  In fact, there have been various experiments posted here on Curezone PROVING the flushes are bogus.  For example, Spud's having her gallbladder examined first to prove she had no stones then doing the flush and producing the same squishy blobs.  Or the people who have mixed dye in the olive oil then did the flush.  When the blobs were cut open they contained specks of the dye inside.  being that the dye DOES NOT go in to the liver nor the gallbladder this is DEFINITIVE PROOF that these so-called stones were produced in the intestines primarily by the ingredients of the flush.  And again, when these so-called "stones" were actually analyzed by labs they were found to be saponified olive oil, not gallstones.  How people can fall for such bogus frauds like liver flushing despite all the solid evidence that it is completely bogus is beyond me.  I guess PT Barnum was right on!

It is ok, they are entitled to their opinion.

The real problem is that some people follow this incorrect information/person. I suspect mainly because they use an authoritative manner to get their point across, and people today are very susceptible to authoritative delivery.

I suspect that when the truth came out during all the debate, he tried to confuse the issue by using the term 'REAL GALLSTONE'. He repeatedly used this term over and over in an attempt to sway people and confuse the facts.

I repeatedly called him on it and shed light on the legerdemain of semantics.

And the overwhelming evidence was not only supplied to you, but also ignored by you since it proved you completely wrong.  But you are entitled to your opinion as well.  But when you are going to deliberately mislead people with claims that have been proven wrong over and over you are going to get called on it.

The fact of the matter is that claiming a cholesterol stone is not a REAL STONE is just a semantic argument and has no real bearing on anything that matters in the real world of people healing themselves of illness.

 The rocks in my yard are "real stones", but have no bearing here.  The soap stones and sterol-cholesterol complexes people are creating and passing by these so-called "liver flushes" are not real stones of any type.

The Liver Flush forum is very active with people flushing their problems away, as are many other forums with other flavors of liver flush. They continue to work for people over and over and over and over. That pretty much says it all.

I could stoop to a low level and say that bitters are not 'REAL FLUSHES', but I won't, even though it is beautifully ironic.

Clearly you have no comprehension of how the body really works.  Stimulation of the vagus nerve by bitters does something that the so-called "liver flushes" cannot do, which is to actually cleanse the liver.  Bitters also help dissolve gallstones and prevent their formation by increasing bile production and release.  You really need to do your homework before posting so you stop wasting everyone's time!!!  Here is more on the topic:

http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1534176#i

http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1568425#i

http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1679049#i

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