Date:   6/12/2011 9:27:33 PM ( 13 y ago)
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Once again i seek to simplify basic issues and you feel the need to split hairs, argue over definitions, make claims that aren't supported with data while criticizng other claims that you feel need support of data.

Double standards are psychotic or they are ulterior in their applications. You are not psychotic and you are almost a genious and extremely bright. Why on Earth would you carry a consistently applied double standard on a website. Must be ulterior motive.

Do you sell products? I do not. I actually negotiate with manufacturers to provide cheaper products for cancer patients. Silver, aloe vera, essiac, pau de arco, cesium are all purchased from manufacturers at a cheaper price for my clients using our organizational name. Hence the word advocate. I ship nothing and seek to lower costs for cancer patients.

First of all let's get something straight so these poor curezone readers don't become overwhelmed by all the nonsense.

All elements carry a charge, possitive or negative, they can be measured electronically. Oxygen for example carries negative charge and binds quickly to possitively charged minerals. Those charges and potentials are measurable and can be found on almost any chemistry website, however molecules are not so generally reported on with respect to their overall potentials and charges and strength of those charges

Ozone is not dipole but it carries a charge, what charge does it carry? Here i'll give you a hint,...it's not a possitve charge. So there is a range based upon oxidation.

Dr. Keith Brewer has identified the polarity of cancer cell membranes and for this reason was able to prove how oxygen and minerals can or cannot enter the cancer cell.

You have now stated three different mechanisms for ozone over the last two years, one being peroxide formation inside the cancer cell,(which is true)and thus ozone can cause hemolytic anemia, results from peroxide buildup, another theory you have used being increased oxygen inside the cancer cell which inhibbits fermentation, a statement written to "Karenlaw", but herein contradict, and now you are professing a membrane change but wont identify the kinetics by which this occurrs. It's a dominoe affect you say but can't explain what changes occurr in that membrane. For someone as demanding as you to provide accurate and detailed information, this vague hypothesis is a little curious.

All I have done was recommend that people augment ozone or any oxygen therapy with heavy minerals. Period. You have spent countless energy and time with that posting and yet you cannot say or prove the heavy minerals don't help cancer patients although everytime I have posted something about heavy minerals you have intervened butted in without offering any laboratory studies to support your claim.

When i post the proof you will try to discredit that laboratory evidence as this has already happened.

What if heavy mineral salts reverse cancer? Then you have harmed anyone who views your nameless postings as truth.
YOu have hurt cancer patients if heavy minerals reverse cancer.

Then you have turned around and demanded lab studies from other posting parties but cant do the same on your end at times.

Well, for all those confused souls searching for a treatment for this monster of a disease, I will post those highly technical reports explaining minerals relationship to oxygen concentration and membrane polarity.

Never mind that the first review study of heaviest of minerals boasted a 100% response rate. How does any credible person discredit 100% of anything. Well, first time I posted the research paper, that's exactly what you did.

As if taking heavy minerals was going to kill them!

But if you feel a need to chime in on every single posting I make on curezone, please then don't complain about all the time you have to spend defending yourself and answering logical, basic, questions that your postings then raise.

Again, the manipulative nature of your ulterior motives all come out in the wash and sooner or later the chickens have to come home to roost. You are distributing products off this web site. You are selling them. See, there is truth in medicine.

I use many terms loosely here on curezone as we are dealing with lay persons. If you have an issue, just make the observation or ask for clarity or just ask for the data, if you diagree just say you disagree then post your data. You really don't have to sell yourself as the only expert or do you.

Intelligent people see through the salesmanship.

I have had clients of mine come here on curezone and post messages on my behalf just to protect these proven therapies from one person,...one! that person is you.

They have come here and stated their story they have tried to post contact information about heavy minerals being combined with oxygen therapies, so that others can call or email them about their experiences, and apparently this threatens your business and marketing on this very website because as of today, you have not listened to a single one them.

I will be posting the Warburg, Koch, and Brewer research here once again in a new thread just for those on this website that may think you are the only expert.

I often wonder why you sometimes contradict yourself and now I figured it all out. You are selling and shipping products using curezone. If you do not contradict or try to discredit information by other qualified professionals you cannot make yourself look like the KNOW ALL and BE ALL. You have competition! That threatens your income.

I thought I smelt something fishy but then I see two years of your tactics. Isee people are buying stuff from you. Blocking people who disagree or take offense to your ways, banned from your Truth In Medicine but then we watch you flaiming Curezone when you get banned from their forums. Hmmm! Here come the chickens to the roost.

This forum is for open discussion and sharing of information and not for people to push their own agenda's using double standards and opositional postings.

Any study you don't agree with you should post contradictory study but you do not because you can not, but you can say and have said that studies are often ''mischaracterize'. One of those studies I have given you and now you are asking for it again showing just how salts change polarity and increase oxygen perfusion. I sent you that study by a person with DR. as a title, a library named after him, and you discreditted it by saying it's old or mis characterized but did not present any contrary laboratory information. Just your opinion from a faceless nameless person over the internet.

I venture a guess that had those studies I posted served your agenda you would have easily remembered them and used them today.

I have not contradicted anything in my posting but since you are so intent on discreditting and not learning, you have missed the whole point, Cancer cells as they approach a ph of 6.0 become very hot and risk becoming too acidic and too hot, this allows calcium to enter and maintains ph homeostasis, when cancer becomes more alkaline and slows down the membrane cools and calcium cannot enter once again. Sorry I had to repeat myself.

You stated ozone causes a domino effect at the membrane and that may be true, but I have a license and I use my real name on my postings, I have a not for profit organization, I can't justify recommendations to people who are dying and support that position without knowing what those dominoes are.Is it oxidation of that membrane? If so that's all you needed to say.

So, in your reply to my posting you have added now a third theory on ozone kinetics, you have criticized postings by asking once again for the research, then offered your own theories without having done the same. How sad.

By the way some of your answers are fundamentally wrong above but I don't want to discredit you, if it deals with cancer and surviving I will speak up, and any person with highschool chemistry can see you are wrong. No problem. I have been wrong, this isn't exact Science yet.

But when you say you cannot give me the half-life of ozone in the blood stream,...well my friend, that's a bunch of horse hair. Every molecule has a half life in the blood stream. Every single one, no matter how it got there, once it is there, it has a half life and this is an average.

BTW, oxygen and carbon dioxide enter cells via perfusion and diffusion is more commonly associated with minerals accross a concentration gradient. Yes, it is sometimes used in conjunction with gases and so, u say tomatoe I say Tomatto. Why would I even waiste time splitting that hair if I wasn't selling myself for profit? This is what you do.

Saying that oxygen inside a cancer cell offers no results and no effects that it may increase proliferation would be an insult to all cancer patients who are looking death in the face. I take huge offense to that statment. It is fraudulent and dead wrong.

Increased proliferation of cancer cells when exposed to oxygen is not supported by any useful lab data that is credibly obtained. Anybody who admits cancers exploit fermentation in one breath and then state increased oxygen helps cancer proliferates doesn't know cancer and is speaking out both holes. This statement requires a retraction. Oxygen never has, never will, and can never ever increase cancer cell proliferation. I have had to defend that very notion against a huge medical establishment when I posted a critique on Amazone and even the board of nursing got involved, in the end, biochemistry saved my ass. A PhD biochemist saved my ass because you know that Fermentation and oxygen do not share a mutual co existnce and can never be synergistic in that co existance. Implying fermentation and oxygen are synergistic is like saying gasoline puts out fires. What a crock, it is fraudulent and it is very wrong. Since you are marketing products, making that kind of statement does and will expose you to legal troubles.

So, stay tuned for all those wonderful laboratory studies that prove that oxygen and mineral concentrations share a direct proportional relationship. How this affects membrane polarity.

As with ozone. I stand by its benefits but if you don't take heavy mineral salts with it and in the correct dosage you are fighting a war that can kill you and choosing to leave the Navy out of that war. Leaving out a branch of the military is no way to win a war that may kill you.
Using ozone as a single bullet is no way to survive a deadly disease. Sure, you might win! Go ahead leave out other weapons!




 

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