Date:   5/24/2011 8:03:41 PM ( 13 y ago)
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 I agree to disagree. I do respect what you have to say about things and always keep an open mind. But its an opinion based on what i've researched and from my personal experience. I guess that's everyone's story. Everyone has a reason for their reasoning. 

I need to clarify though cause I think you misunderstood what i was saying. In the second paragraph regarding anaphylaxis, "Actually it is, and you are contradicting your earlier statement.  You just got done stating "too much histamine for the adrenals to handle".  Now you are saying anaphylaxis is not due to weak adrenals.  So let's start with the fact that if the adrenals are working properly the adrenals can produce enough epinephrine to counter the histamine.  See the contradiction in your earlier statements?

Secondly, histamine is not the only trigger for allergic reactions.  For example, asthma is actually an inflammatory allergic reaction.  But leukotrienes are a thousand times more potent of a stimulator for an asthma attack than histamine.  And again what counters both histamine and leukotrienes? Yes, as I pointed out before it is cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP).  When a person has an anaphylactic reaction the doctors will give the person an epinephrine shot, unless they have their own "epi pen".  Why is this done?  Because epinephrine increases cAMP countering the effects of epinephrine.  It does not remove heavy metals or other toxins from the body.  In fact, using your basis the person should never recover from anaphylaxis since those same toxins that you claim are causing the anaphylaxis in the first place are still there.  It is like if you have an infection from a nail stuck in your foot antibiotics are not going to treat the infection until the nail is removed.  By the same token if heavy metals or other toxins were causing the excess histamine reaction then as long as those toxins were present then so would the excess histamine according to your scenario.  Therefore, no amount of epinephrine in the world would stop an anaphylactic reaction if it were caused by heavy metals or other toxins.  So that point has already been disproven.

Now taking this a little further.  A more long term treatment of an asthma attack would be theophylline.  So why do doctors use theophylline to treat an asthma attack, which again is a form of allergic reaction?  Simple, because theophylline works as a cyclic adenosine monophosphate phosphodiesterase inhibitor (cAMPPDEI).  A cAMPPDEI compound works by blocking enzymes, known as phosphodiesterases, that break down cAMP.  By blocking cAMP breakdown the effects of histamine and leukotrienes are inhibited.  This despite any possible heavy metals or other toxins still being present."

What I meant by "too much histamine", was that the allergic response including histamine and leukotrienes would be "too much" for even an healthy person. I don't believe the strength of the actual adrenal glands have much to do with how one combats anaphylaxis but rather, the difference between one person who goes into anaphylaxis and one who does not, is simply due to their nervous/immune response. I'm talking about the trigger and reason why the body releases histamine in large amounts to begin with. I think we're on the same wavelength though. What you refer to as "strong adrenals", is analogous to my view on a "strong and healthy" nervous system/immune system. I think cortisol and epinephrine are drugs that are adrenal hormones, yes but that it is coincidence (or not) that the medical establishment found that these hormones and drugs happen to be very effective in life and death situations, AKA adrenal fight or flight situations. Epinephrine works for other things other than allergies including drug overdoses and god knows the list of life threatening emergencies. And i believe it is because it literally kicks the body into the most primitive and survival mode possible. Which I view adrenal fatigue as (somewhat, but more chronic and low grade) The difference is that you're saying adrenal health as it relates to the gland is important and crucial because it is the gland that releases the important neutralizing hormones, while I'm saying that it is more of addressing the "triggers" and response by the immune system so mast cells don't release histamine in the first place, hence "strong adrenals". But it's not to say that glands can't be overworked if its constantly under burden, which is where I view total body burden to be significant in adrenal health. 

I've spent the last entire year reading for hours to save my own life on adrenal health. All sorts of herbs and supplements and vitamins, books, Dr. wilson's formula, glandulars, natural, etc. and after testing and observing I can say my adrenal glands themselves, are healthy and are doing exactly what they should be. But by the definition of "adrenal fatigue" I still have it in the "severe stage" + more. And the more I read, the more I have learned to appreciate the heavy metal aspect of it all. I'm going to refrain from saying anything more than "heavy metals are a possiblity" because i still have yet to go through chelation. Based on what I experience, I can say more in the future. 

You do a lot of research and knowledgeable about various medical atrocities, i strongly urge to study heavy metals and its implications in health. If you were to have asked me a few months, I'd probably have said not likely. After all i waited 2 years of shit and being house bound before really delving into it. Among things, autism and chelation is a HUGE topic and my doctor and the doctor who trained him (Dr. Rashid Buttar) both have sons who have been "cured" of autism by chelation. Obviously you can't really use the word cured since autism isnt a disease but a psychiatric diagnosis but the stimming, hyperactivity, speechlessness, focus, etc. were all a factor. Not to mention dr. buttar has treated close to a 1000 autistic children (not quite yet I dont think) with a very good success rate. I've talked to someone on this board who was in a similar situation as me and heavy metal chelation done properly restored her health. Ill stop here until I personally try it myself and see how it goes.

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