Date:   5/23/2011 2:35:29 AM ( 13 y ago)
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 I have to disagree. After my own personal experience and research, it's not the adrenal glands that are a problem. The adrenal glands are tired, true and there is such a syndrome called adrenal fatigue. But the reason being, the adrenal glands are doing exactly what it's supposed to. It's not a matter of "strengthening" the adrenal glands through nutrition or herbs, it's a matter of lowering total body burden of toxins and metals so the body's nervous system does not cause an immune reaction which causes too much histamine for the adrenals to handle.

Well, we will have to simply agree to disagree because I totally disagree with this concept. Especially the heavy metal toxicity part since is often way over hyped.

People having anaphylaxis do not have weak adrenals.

Actually it is, and you are contradicting your earlier statement.  You just got done stating "too much histamine for the adrenals to handle".  Now you are saying anaphylaxis is not due to weak adrenals.  So let's start with the fact that if the adrenals are working properly the adrenals can produce enough epinephrine to counter the histamine.  See the contradiction in your earlier statements?

Secondly, histamine is not the only trigger for allergic reactions.  For example, asthma is actually an inflammatory allergic reaction.  But leukotrienes are a thousand times more potent of a stimulator for an asthma attack than histamine.  And again what counters both histamine and leukotrienes? Yes, as I pointed out before it is cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP).  When a person has an anaphylactic reaction the doctors will give the person an epinephrine shot, unless they have their own "epi pen".  Why is this done?  Because epinephrine increases cAMP countering the effects of epinephrine.  It does not remove heavy metals or other toxins from the body.  In fact, using your basis the person should never recover from anaphylaxis since those same toxins that you claim are causing the anaphylaxis in the first place are still there.  It is like if you have an infection from a nail stuck in your foot antibiotics are not going to treat the infection until the nail is removed.  By the same token if heavy metals or other toxins were causing the excess histamine reaction then as long as those toxins were present then so would the excess histamine according to your scenario.  Therefore, no amount of epinephrine in the world would stop an anaphylactic reaction if it were caused by heavy metals or other toxins.  So that point has already been disproven.

Now taking this a little further.  A more long term treatment of an asthma attack would be theophylline.  So why do doctors use theophylline to treat an asthma attack, which again is a form of allergic reaction?  Simple, because theophylline works as a cyclic adenosine monophosphate phosphodiesterase inhibitor (cAMPPDEI).  A cAMPPDEI compound works by blocking enzymes, known as phosphodiesterases, that break down cAMP.  By blocking cAMP breakdown the effects of histamine and leukotrienes are inhibited.  This despite any possible heavy metals or other toxins still being present.

Their symptoms manifest as what appears to be "weak" glands but it's really the nervous system that starts the impulse and sends the message to "Attack" the foreign particles. It's the adrenal glands that respond to the chaos.

You missed my point in my last post.  The body is constantly being exposed to allergens.  Whether it be pollens, food proteins, animal dander, cigarette smoke, perfumes, etc.  So the impulses you speak of are also a constant occurrence.  Yet not everyone has allergies.  Why? Because when the adrenals are healthy enough to produce sufficient levels of epinephrine the histamine and leukotriene responses are countered despite any toxins that may be present.  

There is another way to show this is the case.  Many children are born with allergies/asthma, and yet outgrow their allergies by the age of 5.  Why do they outgrow their allergies?  Simple, because this is around the time their adrenals mature.  Yet, if they are given steroidal medications their allergies/asthma get worse as these drugs atrophy the adrenals.  Same reason people's allergies/asthma can get worse or be triggered by stress.  Stress is not a heavy metal or toxin, but it does weaken the adrenal glands lowering levels of epinephrine and corticosteroids that are both involved in countering allergic responses.

No amount of ashwanganda, or any adaptogen in all forms as well as vitamins have done anything to help my adrenal fatigue.

And I outgrew my allergies at the age of 5 without detoxing as have so many other children.

What has helped tremendously and what i've seen many people testify to is lowering the body's toxic load. With this multiple chemical sensitivity and other sensitivities are lowered. I'm not saying it won't work for everyone but the more I've researched past the issue of adrenal fatigue, the more I have learned that nearly everyone has it. It's the top layer of the onion so to speak.

Again we are going to have to disagree on this because I have never seen detoxing work for allergies, but I have seen adaptogens and supplements work time and time again.  It can be tricky sometimes though since if the person is allergic to the herbs or supplements this can backfire as the allergic responses stress the adrenals more.  And if the person continues with the stress, stimulants or steroidal medications they will not really get anywhere.  Overworking the adrenals while trying to build them is like trying to swim upstream in a strong current, yet I see people try this often.

I've seen the same approach taken to the thyroid among thyroid groups and the same by conventional doctors when it comes to the heart. When the heart has an arrhythmia or palpitation, in many cases such as mine, there's nothing wrong with the heart. The heart is a reaction and an effect of a cascade coming from the body's signals.

Actually no.  The heart develops ectopic pacemakers as a result of decreased blood flow to the heart.  For example, when someone is under a lot of stress they can release excess epinephrine, which in turn constricts blood vessels decreasing blood flow and oxygen to the heart.  Same reason people can develop heart attacks when under a lot of stress:

http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1509535#i

As my post above points out magnesium salts and cardiac glycoside sources both effectively treat heart palpitations.  These DO NOT work by affecting the brain, they work as natural calcium channel blockers (CCBs).  CCBs work by keeping calcium out the nerve synapse, which in turn relaxes the blood vessels improving the blood flow and oxygen supply to the heart.  This in turn corrects the ectopic pacemakers.

I know many people's thyroid comes back online after address heavy metals, not always but sometimes. Analyzing TSH and free t3 and rt3 with a graph chart isn't going to do much cause the thyroid isn't the problem.

Actually lab tests for thyroid function are garbage, but that is a long explanation so I am not going in to it.  But hypothyroidism is an issue of the thyroid.  That is why it is called hypothyroidism, hypo meaning low, thyroid referring to the thyroid gland and ism meaning state or condition.

Granted hypothyroidism can have many triggers such as hypothalamic or pituitary dysfunction, adrenal dysfunction, elevated estrogen, poor T4 to T3 conversion, high rT3 from chronic stress, excess exposure to some halogens (chlorine, fluorine or bromine), autoimmunity, thyroidectomy or destruction, etc.  Heavy metals are not really a big factor if at all a factor.

Again, such as in my case my thyroid was hypo. Reverse t3 was extremely high and ive been told to take some T3 to boost my metabolism.

To start with, reverse triiodothyronine (rT3) is elevated by chronic stress, not heavy metals.  Secondly, whatever doctor gave you T3 with elevated T3 was a complete m*o*o*n.  When there is elevated T3 there is not necessarily a lack of T3.  There is an INABILITY for the body to utilize the T3 it is producing properly.  Taking more T3 in addition to what the body is already is producing is not going to do any good when the T3 receptors are still being blocked by the rT3.

In actuality, my body was so broken and in a catabolic state (weighed 120lbs 5'10", lost 50lbs, couldnt walk 50 feet) that it was a RESPONSIVE by the body to preserve energy. Body went into survival mode.

What you are describing can occur for a number of reasons. 

Adrenal response is the same as the back up generator coming online.

Actually this would indicate an alternative energy source for the body, which is not the case.  A better analogy would be a nitrous oxide boost for a race car.  The fuel is the primary energy source for the car, but when that extra boost of energy is needed to go faster then the nitrous oxide provides that boost just like the adrenals provide the extra boost to the body's own energy production.

Fight or flight is the most primitive mechanism hardwired into not only humans but even house flies. It acts to provide energy and immediate response.

That is part of it.  The flight or fight response also leads to increased alertness and dilation of the pupils for better sight.  So yes, I am very familiar with the flight or fight response.

Adrenal fatigue in many people with chronic illness is nothing more than a phenomenon where the body is running on its backup reserves.

Again we will have to disagree with the way you are describing this.  Technically the "back up reserves"  for the body are things such as glycogen and fatty acids.  In some cases even amino acids or lactate.  The adrenals merely help to mobilize some of these back up reserves.  For example, cortisol from the adrenals can release stored glycogen from the liver to increase glucose for energy.

Nothing is wrong with the backup battery. Something is draining its power though.

Again not a good analogy and again something we will have to agree to disagree about.

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