Date:   2/16/2011 5:15:55 AM ( 13 y ago)
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 First of all, the Minnesota Wellness Directory is not an "oleander site", which is what you said to begin with (actually you said sites plural) not a "pro-oleander site" as you have now conveniently modified your description after being proven wrong..

LOL!!!!  You are really twisting things as usual.  The site is a pro-oleander site as I pointed out.  But of course you have been shown up AGAIN, so the only thing you can come back with is twisting things.  If you want to really get down to what was really said originally it was your claim that oleander was currently in FDA trials.  So where is the proof of this?  I found various sites the other day that are saying just the opposite.  So let's start back at the beginning with your claim that oleander is CURRENTLY in FDA trials.  So far all you presented was a site saying they were recruiting people for the study since 2007.  How many years does it take them to recruit the minimum of 20 people needed for a study?!!!  Of course I bought this up earlier and in typical Tony fashion he ignored this fact then tried to shift the burden of proof on to me since he knew he was making up "facts" again.

  Secondly, the information on the site about oleander is years old and as a matter of fact, my friend who owns the site, has asked ME to do write an updated entry.  Just FYI, the site recommends oleander highly, refers people to my group who have had other options failed, and also recommends my book highly.

So it is a pro-oleander site.  But who cares?  The fact is that the only study presented clearly shows that oleander is a failure when it came to actual human studies!!!  Again, how could your excellent research skills you claim to have missed this easy to find abstract?

I note that you avoid addressing the three actual oleander sites I provided links to, the same as you conveniently failed to address the actual case reports I provided links to.

ROTFLMAO!!!! Let's see your first link it you click on research trials shows the same study recruitment link I discussed above.  So this does not even get close to backing your claims.  

The second and third links all have different company names with the EXACT same logo!!!  Who do you think you or they are fooling!!!  And you have to dig through their links a bit to come up with the only study they present, which was done on pancreatic cancer cells AGAIN IN A PETRI DISH, NOT THE HUMAN BODY.  And as we have seen phase 1 FDA trials of oleander showed no significant effect on cancer cells in humans.  So as we can all see you are trying hard to mislead people once again.

Back to your claim.  Show us where oleander is CURRENTLY in FDA trials as you claim.

The Anvirzel Phase I trial was a very short duration trial whose only purpose was to determine maximum dose (none was found).  Phase I trials usually do note any anti-tumor activity; however the trial for Anvirzel only lasted for a few weeks and, as noted here repeatedly, oleander does not work overnight.  In fact, I repeatedly advise people to look for other additional options when they have but scant weeks estimated time left.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.  Again back to your claim.  Where is the proof to your claim that oleander is currently in FDA trials.  Stop playing games and show us the evidence.

The Yahoo question you posted was found to come from a troll whose lack of knowledge about oleander was thoroughly exposed -

Sure, you consider anyone who questions your claims a troll.  And you always blame the other person.  You have started so many attacks against me and have started so many debates then blamed me.  So I would not believe your line of crap even if God vouched for you.

and who had several questions deleted.  Besides his previous posts which clearly indicated no knowledge at all of oleander, he also hung himself with the above question because oleander was not available as a supplement six years prior to his post.

Yada, yada, yada........

Did you happen to note whose answer was chosen as the best one?

ROTFLMAO!!!!!  So what?  You probably sent out mass PMs to your supporters like you did when recruiting people to attack me but asked them to vote for you.  Not to mention the fact that it is hard to vote on posts that were deleted because they asked fair questions.  By the way did you also see where your own supporter said how uppity you were?

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