Date:   2/11/2011 6:13:59 AM ( 13 y ago)
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 Actually H, I never said that I have not researched viruses and cancer at all. 

You said "I was not trying to find a link between viruses and cancer" and all of your searches you posted had nothing to do with viruses.  I woud say that it pretty clear.

Let's put it into proper context.  You said that I had done so and failed to find anything and I challenged you to find one single instance where I said that I attempted to research viruses (and failed to find any connection) to back up your erroneous contention.

Oh, the twist the what was said game.  I see.  Typical Tony game.  I have been saying all along that you have refused to look at the research, not that you had done so.  I never thought once that you looked since it was clear in your posts that you had not looked. In your posts where you showed your Google searches the word "virus" never appeared.  So why would I think you looked?  Stop twisting the facts Tony.

Insofar as proof of cancer being caused by poor cellular terrain, toxins and radiation, did you happen to read the President's Council report?

Although most experts agree that as many as two-thirds of cancer cases are caused by lifestyle choices like smoking, poor diet and lack of exercise, the two-member panel said many avoidable cancers were also caused by pollution, radon gas from the soil and medical imaging scans.

WOW!!!!  A two member panel giving their opinions!!!!  Gee, that is really an example of the concencus, LOL!!!!

And of course Tony believes that the government alwasy tells the truth, LOL!!!

The studies I posted say different.  And they reflect the view of more than two people.  But hey, don't let the facts stand in your way.  You never did before.

Let's see  now - lifestyle choices like smoking, poor diet and lack of exercise all lead to to poor cellular terrain, and it is hard to argue that smoking and poor diet do not contain toxins.  Pollution = toxins.  Radon gas and medical imaging = radiation.  That does not even include the increasing body of evidence of cell phones and microwave radiation causing cancer.  How's your math? 

Apparently a hell of a lot better than yours.  According to your previous posts you clearly stated that the presence of cancer viruses present in a higher percentage of cancers that the things you mentioned above is NO proof that the viruses caused the cancer.  So I see you are simply twisting things to fit your needs as usual rather than facing the truth.  In other words the percentage of cancer patients with cancer viruses is higher than the ratio of cancer patients developing cancer from things like radiation.  Since you say that the number of people with cancer who have cancer viruses is not proof that the viruses caused cancer then this same argument applies even more to radiation, smoking, etc.  So I guess according to your hypothesis NOTHING causes cancer, LOL!!!

In addition, radiation is a well known immune suppressant, which could allow cancer viruses to take hold easier.  So how do you know that the radiation caused the cancer and not the viruses that took hold when the immune system was suppressed?

Two thirds of the causes are lifestyle choices.  Add in the toxins and radiation and that does not leave much room for virus caused cancer, does it?

Lifestyle choices that also suppress the immune system, allowing cancer viruses to take hold.  

Funny though how this panel of a whole two people totally left out cancer viruses, which are well known and as I already showed in my one link is a widely accepted cause of cancer.  I supposed you also believe the tobacco company panels when they claim nicotine is not addictive and cigarettes do not cause cancer.  And those panels have more than two "experts"!!!!

Really now, why should I even deign to debate you?  First of all you have said time and again that viruses are the cause of most cancers - yet there is virtually nothing inside or outside mainstream medical science or alternative cancer literature which unequivocably states that viruses cause most cancers. 

ROTFLMAO!!!!!  I have presented proof of this to you over and over and over........   Just because you neither read the studies or understand them does not mean it does not exist.

Like it or not, it is a decidedly minority opinion. You even believe that cancer is contagious.  Where are the studies which support that belief?

Again they have been presented to you over and over and over........

So where are those medical studies backing yor claims I have asked for so many times?  Funny how you keep asking me to present to you what I have already presented numerous times even though you do not read them or understand them, but when you are asked for evidnence you never present it.  The only attempt you made so far was a sales site for oleander than only had a few petri dish studies and one of the studies stating that oleander MAY block cancer.  And of course there was the other study from your link that said the oleander only worked against some cancer cells in the dish, but not all.

So we have oleander, which has only been shown to work in petri dishes, which means absolutely nothing.  As I said many things will kill cancer cells in a petri dish including air.  This DOES NOT mean these things will kill cancer in the body.  And your own link states that it did not work on all cell lines, which is contradictory to your claims that it is good for all cancers.  So your own link proves that there is NO real evidence that oleander extract (Sutherlandia OPC) will work for cancer in the body.

And I see absolutley no evidence that it addresses the base cause of cancer like ozone and various other herbs will.  

Based on all this I would recommend that all people totally avoid Sutherlandia OPC until actual human trials have been conducted proving that the stuff works in the body for actual cancers, and addresses the actual cause of the cancer.  Otherwise people are simply wasting vaulable time on an unproven therapy being promoted by someone who knows squat about cancer.

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