Date:   11/27/2010 7:15:46 AM ( 15 y ago)
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 H,

What I posted was in no way an attack on you.

And I disagreed with your made up claims.  So I guess I was not attacking you either.

My post simply disagreed with your minority opinion that viruses cause all ALL leukemia (except radiaton caused ALL leukemia) and with your minority opinion that most cancers are caused by viruses. 

There you go again making your wild claims with absolutely NO evidence to back them up.  The fact is that there is all sorts of evidence to back  up my claims as I have shown.  All you have done is tell me I am wrong over and over like you are a gypsy fortune teller who thinks they know all and see all.

Instead of starting attacks and debates then blaming me why don't you try a new tactic called telling the truth and backing up your claims with evidence instead of assumptions?

In doing so, I echoed the vast majority of opinion within and outside mainstream medical science.

See, there you go again with this wild claim instead of evidence.  Funny thing is that you did not even know about cancer viruses apparently before I brought them up. And you clearly did not know anything about leukemia viruses since you had to look up incorrect information on Wiki to try and defend your false claims.  Yet you keep repeating the same old I am wrong mantra despite the fact that you basically know squat about the subject.  Same reason you have failed to provide even one shred of evidence to back your false assumption.  

Let me explain something to you Tony.  You do not know everything, and it is clear you don't know much about cancer or how it works.  And it is very clear that you have not researched the subject that you keep trying to pretend you know about.  So once again show me proof that the majority of cancers have not been linked to viruses or other microbes.  This is really simple to do if you have even the slightest clue of what you are talking about.  All you have to do is to tell everyone here what causes the majority of leukemias then back it up with some actual scientific research as I have done.  I am not looking for more of your bogus assumptions, but rather real proof.  Of course I have asked this before and never got it because you are making things up as you go.

By the way I am still waiting for an answer as to how they were treating HIV-1 and HIV-2 with anti-retroviral drugs in the early 1980s since according to you these viruses were not discovered until 2005.  See how hard it is to answer my questions or provide proof to your claims when you keep making stuff up instead of telling the truth?

The reason I made my post was not to attack you, but rather to give what I believe is good advice to the original poster and to all who have cancer or cancer concerns -  which is that the best idea would be to address all possible root causes of ALL and cancer. No matter how many links you post to support your minority opinion, doing so will nevertheless not change reality and turn it into a majority opinion.  Besides, no matter how many ALL or cancer cases might be caused by viruses, there would still be other causes and the wise thing to do would be to not overlook them. 

See, you are still making it personal by claiming it is my "minority opinion".  So you are going after the poster with your continuous lies rather than addressing the post with countering evidence, which of course you cannot do since it does not exist.  You sound like a broken record with your "minority opinion" mantra.  Again, if you had any evidence other than reading your tea leaves to support your claim you would have posted it.  The fact that you have yet to post even a single shred of evidence to back up your opinion says it all.  It screams that you are clueless about this topic so you have to rely on insults instead of evidence.  That's fine with me.  I have posted proof to back my claims so you are the one losing credibility with the attacks instead of evidence.

Let's suppose for a moment that you are wrong, hard as that appears to be for you to do. 

Oh gee, another TOS violating insult.  You ought to ban yourself Tony since it seems you cannot post within TOS guidelines.  Or at least hide your post for violating TOS even though you claim to have a zero tolerance policy for TOS violations.  I guess you lied about that as well since the only post I have seen you hide was mine after I disagreed with your claim and exposed a flaw in your reasoning.   As your title says "disagreement alone does not constitute a personal attack".  And my post was not a personal attack, it was a disagreement about your statement.  Yet you abused your power as a moderator by hiding my post then leading a barrage of TOS violating attacks against me.  Even encouraging others to join in with you.  Tsk, tsk.  So went that zero tolerance policy, right Tony?!!!

Or let's even suppose that you were mostly right and that only a minority of ALL and a minority of cancers were caused by something other than viruses.  If the original poster or anyone else who had cancer were to treat it only as having a viral root cause and it didn't, that might not only make it harder to eliminate the ALL of other cancer, it would likely make the return of ALL or other cancer more likely due to failure to address the true root cause.

And again, what is the true root of leukemias and where is your proof?  

And you have overlooked another important fact.  Unlike oleander, which is unproven, the herbs I recommended have been researched and proven to be anti-cancer.  And they do this through multiple mechanisms, not just killing cancer microbes.  For example chaparral inhibiting mitosis, supporting the adrenals and reducing inflammation.  And pau d' arco killing other cancer microbes and inhibiting inflammation.  But again that would have taken actually researching the subject and understanding how cancer works for you to have realized that fact.

But while on the subject your same rational can be applied to your oleander soup.  Since you don't have a clue what really causes cancer and you could only name polysaccharides as an active compound then we have no idea if it is actually addressing the real root of cancer.  Therefore using your rational people should avoid using oleander soup for their cancer.  I personally would anyway to focus on proven anti-cancer therapies such as ozone and the various anti-cancer herbs I know work from the research I have done and the effectiveness I have witnessed.

What I posted wasn't about you, H, it was about trying to give prudent advice so that the original poster and other would have the best chance of both beating their conditions and preventing their return.

Go back and read your posts Tony. Yes, you made it personal from your first response.  And you have repeated your same lie over and over despite being presented with the evidence that proves you wrong.  So you insulted me with your lies and started a debate with your first response both in violation of TOS and the Webmaster's statement to behave.  But it is clear that you just cannot help yourself.

Your response to my post and your above post are both glaring examples of how you wrongly take any disagreement with you as a personal attack.  Disagreement with what you post is not a TOS violation.  The TOS violations occur when you wrongly equate disagreement with personal attack and proceed with actual personal attacks of your own.

Tony, Tony, Tony, will you ever learn.  Your original response WAS an attack.  Subtle, but still an attack since it was clearly directed at me as you have stated so many times in your last few posts on the subject.  Furthermore, your post was a debate type post in a support forum.  So you clearly violated TOS several times in your initial response and have been keeping it going with your continual lies since.

Though both of your posts beg for moderation, I  have decided that I am going to leave them up for the time being so that others can see the examples of how you react to disagreement (though I cannot speak about what others may decide to do about your posts - I am not the only moderator of this forum, nor am I the overall moderator of the entire website).  I am also not at this time taking the step of moving the entire thread to the debate forum(s) out of courtesy to the original poster to allow other constructive posts to be made here in the support forum.

Why don't you start with editing your own posts to take out your attacks and debating words?  And if you decide to edit my posts or hide them again I have already made a copy of the entire thread as evidence to prove you started the attacks and debate just as you did the last time then tried blaming me then as well.

I will, however, once again state in no uncertain terms that further debate here in the support forum will not be tolerated and neither will any additional personal shots.

Then as I said before you better ban yourself since YOU  started both the attacks and the debate.  Again, read my original post.  NOWHERE are you mentioned or your protocol.  I posted valid information that I had evidence to back it up.  YOU responded with a personal attack and started a debate, both in violation of TOS, over what I posted all because you do not believe in what I wrote.  And only the holier than thou Tony's unsubstantiated opinions are allowed on the forum.  Not real facts backed by real evidence.  So you need to ban yourself since you keep starting these attacks and debates in the support forums.

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