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(Predestine pre·des·tine [pree déstin](past and past participle pre·des·tined, present participle pre·des·tin·ing, 3rd person present singular pre·des·tines)
foreordain events: to decide in advance what is going to happen)

Eph 1:5- The ‘predestinated’ was a plan, an in advance DESIGN, in part, to redeem those, by their freewill choice, a returning-back to HIS ETERNAL KINGDOM PLAN. Freewill, by HIS Design was without God's pressure, created demand process under reasonable laws to protect-and Judgment of criminal crimes. Why would God have to know, please be aware of HE created ‘freewill‘, what each soul would do? If HE wanted freewill (without HIM knowing) could HE do that- create that fact? Predestination Plan is NOT (within my personal belief from Scriptures) that the redeemed ones was/had been already prior figured out who are ’saved’. But that, by Jesus Christ, Emmanuel, that future Messiah was now here, has made a legal ‘adoption’, by Grace, Kinsman Redeemer, Christ’s legal testament-upon death, to a new-an additionally made ’door’ (under GRACE), to include- ‘whosoever will'IF'.. in this flesh body’ -the redeemed- among (united back with) HIS already faithful CHILDREN. Faithful Children that have already, within their prior personal freewill selection ‘chosen’ to stand within HIM, HIS WISDOM. (a little prior history) Standing (’chosen’ God‘s Kingdom) at the start, the very offset, of Satan’s war, warfare attempts of death to God and the ‘election-chosen’..was the ‘election-chosen children‘. This war (has continued & hasn’t end as of today) is still going on, allow, under ‘long suffering’ to perhaps…redeem.. convert many children back into peace (not criminal warfare against) in the midst of GOD.

This current flesh-spirit world age is a continuance of the same children, in large part. We come through this flesh-spirit body once and are temporary ignorant (no memory while in flesh) of our prior life (good-tree of life or bad- tree of death ) (our prior personal knowledge of our good & evil is temporary ‘blotted-out‘). For a time of maturity (sensible change at being a good neighbor)…the hopeful possibility… in a new created age of redemption, fresh start.

MOREOVER, rightly divide, keep separate, within Scriptures, this word ‘predestinate’. ‘Predestinate’ written is applied to several topics (under that verse-chapter’s overall ’packet of information’) may have many function (more than one-within the whole Bible‘s or another verse’s usage of ‘predestinate‘), details written -within- the prior age of events before the foundations of this current (right NOW and back to Adam&Eve) redemptive earth age and what has already been determined-Planned (under GOD‘S AUTHORITY-AS THE FINAL JUDGE).

God has ’predestinated’ ones, children, that “birth/walk’ into this current flesh-spirit world. Children, siblings- fellow servants, that have already, under their prior freewill, chosen God. Don’t get ‘the chosen’ mixed-up, in The Bible, with the still to decide children. The ‘Chosen’, have already been Judged and found ’sanctified’ (Jer 1:5 for an example)… before the foundation of this current flesh-spirit body earth age (there was another Earth and Heaven age before this new re-created age in the Bible..and in the future they will be another new re-created earth and heaven- the eternal age). They, ‘chosen ones’, are here in much love, by loving service to God and their fellow siblings. God uses, ‘chosen’-’election’ to bring HIS redemption plan for those, totally UNMOVING-yet UNDER a freewill selection, choice..’theIFnow’ they ’Salvation- so do in action with Christ. God directly can interfere- within these ‘chosen’- to keep HIS PLAN, information within the ‘eyes’ and ‘ears’ to those that have a ‘heart’/mind to listen in a relation of Council, Holy Spirit, within this spiritual war, very much warfare against God, God of The Bible, and HIS PLANS. Plans, in general, that have already -openly- made known to all HIS Children before the foundation of the current Earth and Heaven age. All born into flesh without prior memory/ignorant of the prior good (even the ’chosen’) or bad (non-‘chosen’) we did prior to the foundations of this flesh-human-age.

It’s no ‘picnic’ for the ‘chosen-election’ going into this flesh body. While in flesh they also make errors/sins and they also need-needed Christ, as they already knew-’that risk‘- but still decided to enter a flesh body, to protect and serve- under God‘s Council but within the weakness of a flesh body. 'Chosen' have strong faith (their souls ’on the frontline’ a protective ‘heart‘ unto death‘s stand to serve God) in Christ‘s Love of a ‘predestinated’ redemptive plan & work finished(Salvation‘s ‘Door‘)- within a sibling‘s freewill. Much work-workers within this ‘war-warfare’ of spiritual battles -mortal/immortal- ‘spirits (good or bad)’ they are working hard each day

peace with God and thanks.. to Jesus Christ-for Grace, and HIS ‘long suffering‘ in time and that personal walk in flesh (Heb 2: talks about for one example), and the many ‘predestinating’ PLANS GOD ALREADY WORKED OVER written within Scriptures, lucidhunt

Eph 1:5-11
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
KJV

Jer 1:
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
KJVthee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
KJV

Heb 4:2-6
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
KJV

1 Peter 1:17-22
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
KJV
Matt 25:34
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
KJV

(edit..note…My word processor and cure zone’s did not match…so the follow few ’paragraphs’ is somewhat scrambled ..)
John 3:3

3 answered Jesus and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say
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 Apekríthee  Ieesoús  kaí  eípen  autoó  Ameén  ameén  légoo

unto thee, Except a man be born again, cannot he see
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 soi  eán-meé  tis  genneetheé  ánoothen  ou  dúnatai  ideín

the kingdom of God.
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NT:509

NT:509
a&nwqen
anothen (an'-o-then); from NT:507; from above;
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John 3:12-13

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
KJV

(NO MAN --soul-- ASCENDs UP EXCEPT he came down from heaven ..just like Christ.)
 

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