Date:   11/11/2010 1:47:50 AM ( 14 y ago)
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What do you think of the 23 points below that the doctor who works at a large university integrative medicine in nutrition curing people said at a lecture I attended tonight

I was looking for an allopathic doctor as I lost my old one due to a change in my HMO that was open to alternative health.

I became a vegan 16 months ago trying to eat a whole food diet that is about 50% raw in order to reverse diabetes and my diabetes ran from he 300-600 glucose levels to one reading of 600 plus.

My last 4 aic tests fro diabetes have been normal though not my home readings.

someone at a raw vegan meetup group I joined was talking about his doctor who he argued with who was part of a large university's complimentary medicine group that has 2 massage therapists, 2 acupuncturists, a chiropractor and this doctor who did these nutrition classes and works with people to heal health problems on staff combining alternative medicine and allopathic presumably. .

In order to see him (the allopathic doctor with a nutrition bent) and what he is about one has to have a referral which a family doctor at the complimentary medicine group gave me one and attend a lecture before he will see you.

The lecture was tonight. There were hundreds of people there.

What do you think of his thinking.

He said he cured many people of things like HIV, cancer people given months to live, everyone lost weight and got healthier.

Here are some of the things he advocated or insisted people who see him do.


1 you must take a very expensive comprehensive blood work up He said we need to check with our insurance to see if they cover this test which I thought he said was either 1700 dollars or 17,00?? so he can see where each of us are nutritionally etc on this work before he can work directly with each of us as individuals.

2 He said we can eat no gluten which he said was in all grains. this was his strongest point as he tied most heath problems to this and said it shows up in the body fro 10 years even if we stop it.

3 He said we should not eat raw fruits and veggies or frozen as these had latex in them (he said this was not so before we had all these rubber tires but that somehow ??cross pollinated or modified the plants making them toxic. He advocated using things like canned peaches or veggies.

4 he said there were just 4 studies with agave nectar and three were about the plant and just one spoke of it nutritionally and found it equivalent to white sugar.

5 he said not to use bottled or reverse osmosis or distilled water as it was all mineral-less and thus leached the magnesium/calcium etc from our bodies. They do not contain enough calcium and magnesium. He advocated drinking tap water or well water in some cases. He said when our calcium,. magnesium, vitamin d and b vitamins are not normal or optimal, we are on the path to death. He said calcium, magnesium and vitamin d is what totally controls our cholesterol. He said in response to a query about chlorine in the water that it is far worst to eat fruit than drink chlorine which is nothing much to be concerned about.

6 he said never to eat things like kiwi, celery, bananas, avocado, figs, any stone fruit like peaches or cherries etc due to the latex in them that we were allergic to. He said this latex is natural and not man put in there and that we develop antibodies to it and thus it makes us sick I guess he was saying.

7 at one point he said seed foods and nuts were no-nos

8 he said never to juice or eat raw foods

9 he said we are mostly all deficient in magnesium, calcium, vitamin d and b vitamins and we could not use man made supplements but needed to use calcium carbonate, magnesium oxide, he said only d3 is sold in the us not d2 (one is plant based the other animal) and said we needed to sit in the sum at least 8 hours a day on at least half our bodies..who but people like construction workers and gardeners have that luxury?

10 he said shampoos etc have an outlawed chemical in them and if they are thicker than water or toxic and has people bring in all their bottles and supplements getting rid of ones they say are bad for you

11 he wants all one's blood work to not just be in the normal range as this is he said the average unhealthy American but in the optimal top 98% like if the range is 20 to 50, he wants you to be 49 or so.  

12 he said chemo causes death by robbing you of calcium and magnesium

13 He said flax seed, and soy are dangerous to one's health and never use things like soy or I assume wheat gluten meat or cheese substitutes. He said soy is especially bad for women.  He said soy is genetically modifying us.

14 He said if one has red cheeks, noses and ears and faces this shows they are deficient in the magnesium, calcium etc'
singling out a women and her husband who worriedly asked a question about their 6 year old losing his hair saying they feed him unhealthy health food store foods etc and seemed quite insensitive making jokes at people's expense (he was about 78 years old btw)and said the integrative medicine center is the only place in the world doing this work and people come here in this state from Africa, brazil, and all over the world to see him and that he has been working on this for about 40 years.

15 he said he cured his 17 year fibromyalgia and that of a patient with high doses of fish oil but did not say how much only that he took some then doubled and finally tripled and it all went away in less than a week in response to a question.  He said fish oil reversed schizophrenia but if you stopped it it came back.  He said the calcium/magnesium got rid of depression

16  he said we cannot use many of the foods as if we came from Europe for instance things like corn and peppers will make us sick and that it takes 10,000 years for these things to be useful to the body and that every time they do a new strain of wheat for instance the 10,0000 year countdown must start over.

17 He says milk is bad

18 He said white rice is a lot healthier than brown rice (I forget why he said this was so)

19 He said hummus is bad too

20 He said the only way one can eat fresh produce is to pick and grow it ourselves..if we don't then only used canned produce

21 if you do not have three bowel movements a day then you are severely magnesium deficient

22 then he really got people by saying to eat nothing for day one but cottage cheese and canned peaches and the next day get a breakfast of 2 eggs, sausage, hash browns and this will bring you back to your pre-ancestral levels and I guess reset you.

23 he is against health food stores as this stuff does not work he says

I said what about a diet like the hallelujah diet which is a whole food, 85% raw vegan diet.  I said there are thousands of testimonies of healings from everything. I stated how I changed to a high raw vegan diet and had normal diabetic tests and how my brother healed himself of ulcers and serious gerd by drinking cabbage juice for 3 weeks and it never returned in 210 years and how did he account for this..did he feel there could be different paths to health. He seemed perturbed I said this and he said he said he does not listen to testimonies as it only worked for you and we are all different (but really I first heard of vegan helping diabetics from a medical study and the books of 4 allopathic doctors who used them varying degree of vegan and raw/cooked to cure many patients).

And yet his whole speech was full of testimonies of patients his way healed so he right there contradicted what he said he believed I think.

He said people dying of cancer had there doctors and the colleague so impressed they started sending all their patients and themselves to him..he said doctors are some of the unhealthiest people around.

It seems he is against so much of the nutritional advice I have found in my intensive 30 year study.

I was wondering what can we eat if we are not using clean water, nuts, seeds, produce (except non-nutritional canned versions), milk, any grains, soy and its meats and cheese and fermented forms.

The only things that seemed left was meat, cheese and legumes and I am not sure what he thinks of those.

Also it seems even if the form of supplements are the ones he mentioned it is still man made.

Is he full of crap or would he be worth going to to see what he says after the blood work.  I was thinking maybe these tests would show what is wrong and then I could look for ways to address these with alternative health/health foods.

Please address any of all of these comments. I was left wondering how many sick people will buy into this seeming crap. One lady said she had cancer.  another guy seemed very well informed on health foods etc. He pointed out people who were like he and I who are very interested in health long term are among the hardest to heal as they cannot get around all their "seemingly wrong" indoctrination on what to eat.

I really want to verify if anyone think there is anything to what he says from a community I trust.

thanks

you can comment in bold print between each # point you want to comment on to make it easier just paste and copy this and then write between it is desired on any of the points he made 1-23

He seemed to imply he cured a lot of people with his ideas

I put this isn several forums to see what people there think.



 

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