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 this 4mm duct is not made of rigid stainless steel. it is made of smoothe muscle tissue.

as has been pointed out on numerous other threads, when you add in magnesium to the equation which is known to relax smoothe muscle tissue,

And I mentioned this.  But what I pointed out was that even with a massive dose of magnesium you still cannot dilate the bile ducts far enough to allow passage of real gallstones the size people are claiming to have passed.  As an analogy the vagina will relax during birthing to allow the baby to pass.  But if the woman has a 50 pound baby the vagina is not gong to expand enough to allow the passage of that baby even with the strong uterine contractions.  So I don't care how much magnesium you take, the bile ducts are not going to expand enough to allow the passage of a real gallstone larger the duct opening even with the gallbladder contractions.  Even the skull of the infant is flexible to help it pass through the narrow opening.  But real gallstones are hard and calcified.  So they are not going to pass through the ducts unless smaller than the opening.  And the ducts can only expand so much without rupturing, just like a water balloon can only stretch so far.  So you are not going to pass a 25mm+ stone through a bile duct that cannot expand anywhere near that diameter.  Here is an example:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2442185/

Gallstone-Induced Perforation of the Common Bile Duct in Pregnancy

The gallbladder was intact but a 2 mm perforation was found on the anterior surface of a dilated common bile duct (12 mm). On table cholangiography suggested obstruction of the distal common bile duct caused by a 5 mm gallstone impacted within the distal common bile duct. 

and then add in a very strong stimulant to contract the stones out (abnormally large quantity of oil) the evidence is clear that stones do come out of people.

See above.  Those very large blobs are not real gallstones.

look through the pictures section.

I have, and they look nothing like real gallstones.  Try studying real gallstones and you will see why they look nothing like the real thing.

the golf ball sized stones exist, but are very much in the minority. only a very few people have reported such sizes.

It does not matter if the reports for blobs that size are rare or not.   The fact that they are even reporting the impossible is just more proof that these blobs are not coming from the gallbladder. Since they are too large to come from the gallbladder then where are they coming from? That's right, they are being formed in the intestines!!!

your main counter-argument is that it is dangerous to flush because stones can get stuck in the common bile duct. but if the flushes are a hoax as you say, then there would be no danger at all of this happening.

First of all I said there is a risk IF real gallstones are present.  Secondly, if they lodge in the bile ducts from the contraction of the gallbladder this means they did not pass.  And finally the problem is when a REAL gallstone larger than the bile duct gets lodged in the bile ducts.  These are still rather small gallstones.  So this disproves your claim since even if very small stones can lodge in the bile ducts despite the dilation by the magnesium then there is NO WAY a large real gallstone is going to pass through the ducts no matter how much magnesium you take.  

in other words how can it be dangerous to play with purple unicorns if the unicorns don't exist in the first place?

So using the same logic the liver flushes must not be dangerous since they are not passing real gallstones.  

if a person has stones, using bitters will be just as dangerous as any other means in lodging stones in the common bile duct. in actuality bitters will be more dangerous because they are weaker than doing flushes, and in the absence of completely dissolving a stone, the maximum force available would be preferable in pushing the stone into the top of the ileum where we have larger diameter.

Bitters dissolve real stones, they do not cause severe contractions of the gallbladder.

do a series of 3 or 4 flushes and then come back and report, like everyone else who has actually done the flushes.

Report what?  That they don't work?!!!!  The evidence is already clear to many of us that the flushes are bogus and we do not have to fail to pass real gallstones to know this.  Just like I don't have to smash my foot with a sledge hammer to know that it is going to hurt.  Again some things are very obvious even without proving to yourself.  Chemistry and simple anatomy and physiology have proven that these flushes are bogus.

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