Date:   8/9/2010 12:59:39 AM ( 14 y ago)
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 You stated:

"So would it still be so wonderful if someone ends up with pancreatitis from a lodged real gallstone in the bile ducts? Are you willing to pay someone's hospital bill for the surgery because they followed your advice without being warned of the dangers? In fact why is it that all the "flush" supporters never mention the possible dangers?"

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What would cause the gallstone to move from the gallbladder and lodge anywhere at all if the flush has no effect in clearing the gallbladder? If it can lodge where it shouldn't, maybe it could also keep on going and end up in the large bowel.

Again you are only hearing what you want to hear and not what was said.  I have said repeatedly that IF there are real gallstones present that the strong contractions of the gallbladder from the large amount of oil can cause a stone to lodge in the bile ducts.

You said:

"Maybe the oil cleared out some sludge that would be small enough to pass allowing the bile to flow easier. Maybe you changed something else such as diet or got off of a hormone or something around the same time as a means to better your health. I don't know since I have no real information on your true history."

Yes, possibly the oil cleared out some sludge. But how can you suggest that there is "some sludge" there that needed clearing out?

I did not suggest that there is, but rather that there may have been.  Stop playing around with what I actually said.  I was merely pointing out one possibility.

What proof do you have that sludge can gather in the liver/gallbladder/duct system? If there is indeed "sludge" maybe, just a suggestion here, that sludge over a long period of time could form little balls of stuff. Stuff that, right or wrong, some people call "stones"

Biliary sludge is well known in medicine, all you had to do was to look it up:      

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=8402

By the way, you have things backward again. The sludge does not form from balls, the gallstones form as the particles in the sludge grow larger.

And, no, I had not changed my way of eating nor "got off of a hormone". I don't take any hormones. Pure poison in my books, unless it is a matter of life & death like, say, Addison's. I did say that the improvement in bowel movement colour happened immediately the morning after. So, I am thanking the oil + lemon juice ingestion for that. I don't know what else to conclude.

And I already proposed a possible explanation for this.  But you still have yet to provide any reasonable explanation as to how this happened.  So how do you know that the flush had anything to do with it?  Maybe it was coincidence?  Maybe it was placebo since you also believe in the mind-body connection?  And I still think that there was some type of change in the diet.  The reason for this is you stated the stools were orange. Problem is that a lack of bile causes pale tan stools, not orange stools.  In fact I have never heard of any medical condition whatsoever that will cause orange stools.  On the other hand things in the diet could tint low bile stools orange, such as orange dyes or carotenoids in the diet.  Of course if there was a lack of bile to begin with the increase in bile would not actually get rid of the orange, but would rather mask the color.  

I don't feel responsible for anybody else's health issues. I've never promoted the liver flush for anybody.

You are advocating the supposed benefits of these so-called flushes, which is promotion.  And the more you argue about the supposed benefits the more you promote it.  If you did not promote it then you would be happy with what you experienced and not say anything about it to anyone.  So you continue to promote "liver flushing" despite its being proven quackery, and yet not one word from you about the potential dangers.  So it is no different than your saying Russian roulette is fun and not telling people they can be injured or die from playing it.

And even if I did, they'd be right stupid to listen to me.

Of course, because the "flushes" are not expelling gallstones.  So no argument there.

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