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Re: Comparing hot dogs to vegetables and natural fruit sugar to HFCS? - edited to delete duplicate info by #38295 ..... News Forum

Date:   8/5/2010 12:37:01 AM ( 15 y ago)
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"OK. perhaps you would like to explain the reason for the success of the Gerson Anti-Cancer protocol which uses fresh apple juice combined with fresh carrot juice, both of which have a high content of fructose."

Give me one shred of scientific evidence (instead of anecdotal) that the Gerson protocol works, particularly in pancreatic cancer - don't bring in the whole world of cancer that was not addressed in the study that is at the top of this post.

"Fructose in natural foods vs. fructose in HFCS:...."

Get of that bandwagon.  I have already addressed HFCS and as you well know from reading my posts I the same view that you do.  That does not discount the study that lumped HFCS with fructose in the experiment where together, they significantly increased the spread of cancer.  Sugar did to, but not as fast.  Please explain why fructose (all of it) fed the cancer.  Stick to the study.

"Just to illustrate how beneficial eating fruit is, consider this important study. A sixty year study of about 5000 participants found that those who were in the highest quartile of fruit consumption during childhood were found to have a 38 percent lower incidence of all types of cancer as adults.
Reference.............
Maynard M, Gunnell D, Emmett P, et al. Fruit, vegetables and antioxidants in childhood and risk of cancer: tge Boyd Orr cohort. J Epidimiol Community Health 2003;57:219-225."


That bears no resemblance to the statement made by DQ "Man has been living with and been nourished by fruits for eons."  In the Northern Hemisphere that is not true.  Fruit has historically been available in your region for two, possibly three months of the year at most.  Your study is not germane to "eons" of supposed fruit eating mentioned by DQ.

Regarding the consumption of Vegetables and Cancer........

"many studies have shown that eating fresh fruits, beans, vegetables, seeds, and nuts reduces the occurrence of cancer. I plotted cancer incidence in 25 countries against unrefined plant food intake and found that as vegetables, beans, and fruit consumption goes up 20% in a population, cancer rates typically drop 20%. But cruciferous vegetables are different; they have been shown to be twice as effective. As cruciferous vegetable intake goes up 20%, in a population, cancer rates drop 40%.
The evidence is now overwhelming that cruciferous vegetables play a major and unique role in the widely recognized protective effects of natural plant foods against cancer--and are the most important players in this arena. The biologically active compounds from raw and conservatively cooked green vegetables enhance the natural defenses of the human body against DNA damage and they even fuel the body's ability to block growth and replication of cells that are already damaged. For those in the know, these foods are the most important nutritional factors to prevent common human cancers".............
http://www.drfuhrman.com/feeds/whatshappening/2009/04/cancer_alert_your_best_defense_go_cruciferous.aspx

Chrisb1."

You can plot all you wish but it proves absolutely nothing until you take it to a scientific community for peer review.  Come back when you've done that.

How to you explain the increase in Type II diabetes in the primarily vegetarian country of India?  They eat fruits and vegetables - not ham or hot dogs.  Their adult population will have an incidence of 25% Type II by the year 2025.  I point to the Type II because they are also significantly increasing their cancer rates (rates, not just incidence) while the cancer rates (not just incidence) in the USA are declining.  http://www.chillibreeze.com/articles_various/cancer-in-India.asp  One answer is that just like in the USA their life expectancy is increasing significantly (not decreasing as some here would lead you to believe) and the longer lived we become the more opportunity there is for cancer and other disease as well.  Bodies do wear out you know.  However, India is still vegetarian, the USA isn't.  How do you explain all that?

Are you aware that in your home country that health was improved significantly in the Dark Ages because the people drank beer?  You know your history much better than I do but the book 1215 (the year of the original Magna Carta) points out that Britain survived on beer because if they drank the water they would die.  Even young children began drinking beer as soon as they were weaned.  How does that relate to everything in this thread?  It significantly points out that there are a zillion factors beyond what are being addressed here that affect the outcome of life.  Pancreatic cancer cells thrive on fructose (no different between HFCS and fruit source fructose) and sugar as well.  How do you explain that?  How much has the Gerson therapy reduced the incidence of death by pancreatic cancer?  Do you suppose that there are things that we don't yet know?  Could it be that in the quantities that we are now consuming natural fructose as NEVER before that fructose and carbohydrates (which all create sugar in the body) are killing us?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/13/world/asia/13diabetes.html

September 13, 2006

Modern Ways Open India’s Doors to Diabetes

By N. R. KLEINFIELD

CHENNAI, India — There are many ways to understand diabetes in this choking city of automakers and software companies, where the disease seems as commonplace as saris. One way is through the story of P. Ganam, 50, a proper woman reduced to fake gold.

Her husband, K. Palayam, had diabetes do its corrosive job on him: ulcers bore into both feet and cost him a leg. To pay for his care in a country where health insurance is rare, P. Ganam sold all her cherished jewelry — gold, as she saw it, swapped for life.

She was asked about the necklaces and bracelets she was now wearing.

They were, as it happened, worthless impostors.

“Diabetes,” she said, “has the gold.”

And now, Ms. Ganam, the scaffolding of her hard-won middle-class existence already undone, has diabetes too.

In its hushed but unrelenting manner, Type 2 diabetes is engulfing India, swallowing up the legs and jewels of those comfortable enough to put on weight in a country better known for famine. Here, juxtaposed alongside the stick-thin poverty, the malaria and the AIDS, the number of diabetics now totals around 35 million, and counting.

The future looks only more ominous as India hurtles into the present, modernizing and urbanizing at blinding speed. Even more of its 1.1 billion people seem destined to become heavier and more vulnerable to Type 2 diabetes, a disease of high blood sugar brought on by obesity, inactivity and genes, often culminating in blindness, amputations and heart failure. In 20 years, projections are that there may be a staggering 75 million Indian diabetics.

“Diabetes unfortunately is the price you pay for progress,” said Dr. A. Ramachandran, the managing director of the M.V. Hospital for Diabetes, in Chennai (formerly Madras).

For decades, Type 2 diabetes has been the “rich man’s burden,” a problem for industrialized countries to solve.

But as the sugar disease, as it is often called, has penetrated the United States and other developed nations, it has also trespassed deep into the far more populous developing world.

In Italy or Germany or Japan, diabetes is on the rise. In Bahrain and Cambodia and Mexico — where industrialization and Western food habits have taken hold— it is rising even faster. For the world has now reached the point, according to the United Nations, where more people are overweight than undernourished.

Diabetes does not convey the ghastly despair of AIDS or other killers. But more people worldwide now die from chronic diseases like diabetes than from communicable diseases. And the World Health Organization expects that of the more than 350 million diabetics projected in 2025, three-fourths will inhabit the third world.

“I’m concerned for virtually every country where there’s modernization going on, because of the diabetes that follows,” said Dr. Paul Zimmet, the director of the International Diabetes Institute in Melbourne, Australia. “I’m fearful of the resources ever being available to address it.”

India and China are already home to more diabetics than any other country. Prevalence among adults in India is estimated about 6 percent, two-thirds of that in the United States, but the illness is traveling faster, particularly in the country’s large cities.

Throughout the world, Type 2 diabetes, once predominantly a disease of the old, has been striking younger people. But because Indians have such a pronounced genetic vulnerability to the disease, they tend to contract it 10 years earlier than people in developed countries. It is because India is so youthful — half the population is under 25 — that the future of diabetes here is so chilling.

In this boiling city of five million perched on the Bay of Bengal, amid the bleating horns of the autorickshaws and the shriveled mendicants peddling combs on the dust-beaten streets, diabetes can be found everywhere.

A Noxious Sign of Success

The conventional way to see India is to inspect the want — the want for food, the want for money, the want for life. The 300 million who struggle below the poverty line. The debt-crippled farmers who kill themselves. The millions of children with too little to eat.

But there is another way to see it: through its newfound excesses and expanding middle and upper classes. In a changing India, it seems to go this way: make good money and get cars, get houses, get servants, get meals out, get diabetes.

In perverse fashion, obesity and diabetes stand almost as joint totems of success........ more at the link


 

 


 

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