Date:   6/26/2010 8:11:55 AM ( 14 y ago)
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there are some people here who speak the truth and others who have questionable motives.

if you read the whole thread you find that 75% of people in the survey found value from doing the flushes.

chrisb really makes an excellent point, and goes to the heart of the issue, which is really what everyone wants -- to normalize their liver function.

but the debate is whether the stones are coming from the liver or are formed from a complex of oil and intestinal juices.

what is most interesting is that this hveragerti person has said that it is basic science... and yet no one has never given the exact formula for this basic science. no one has ever been able to produce one of these stones in a lab. why is that? why don't greek people pass soapstones after every greek salad they eat? lol

the answer is that it is not basic Science at all, if it was they could easily make a stone in the lab.

another semantic misdirection the hver person uses is to say that all stones sink. yes, calcium stones will sink, but what most people understand is that the stones passed in Liver Flushing are really congealed bile, or old stagnant formations of bile. whether or not they are true stones as defined by section 54.a2.30132023 of the AMA code is pretty much a non-issue. what is an issue is if these masses are blocking bile flow and preventing people from achieving maximum health.

lawyers and politicians love to use semantic misdirection to lull their constituents into submissive trances. i am very glad that some people here stood up for the truth and did not let this person get away with it.

the other argument this person used was to say that a large stone or mass can't pass through the small diameter duct. this is a worthwhile point. a more correct statement would be: 'under normal circumstances a large stone cannot pass through the small diameter of the common bile duct'

that is PRECISELY the logic and reasoning behind the liver flush. we are creating an unusual situation for the biliary system. namely 1) an extreme dilation of the smoothe muscle tissue of the hepatic system and common bile duct and 2) a massive stimulus in the form of a large quantity of oil



under these unusual (and perhaps genius) circumstances, we can observe the obvious, that large stones are able to pass through the common bile duct, at least under this short duration and strong stimulus of the oil.

many people have posted that the stones were analyzed and indeed were composed of bile acids and cholesterol.

no one to date has ever been able to make a stone in a lab. it should be child's play to round up some digestive enzymes, oil, epsom salt, and make some gallstones. but this will never happen because they are coming from the liver or the gall bladder. no one has ever given the formula for these so called saponified stones. yes soap can be made with LYE and oil, but no one is ingesting LYE, and if they did, they would die shortly thereafter.

some people have reported expelling stones after just taking epsom salt. some people have expelled stones after drinking apple juice. some people have expelled stones from just taking malic acid. in all of these cases no oil had been consumed.

let us not be suc***ed into the false baiting of semantic misdirection and let us not be suc***ed into not using our basic powers of logic.

i am not making a case for actually going ahead and doing the flushes or saying that this is the best way to clean the liver of stones and debris. that is a personal decision and has to be done on a case by case analysis with careful consideration.





 

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