Date:   5/23/2010 9:33:41 PM ( 14 y ago)
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>>"physical training will not be effective in helping a woman fend off a male attacker."<<

You must not know any strong motivated women then... I know several that have successfully dealt with a male attacker after proper training - my own daughter being one, the daughter of a close friend being another - without so much as a scratch to show for it. Both were under the age of 20.

I am fairly confident that many women I know could injure or kill a male attacker if necessary.

But then they have all had anywhere between 10 and 35 years of proper training.

>>"Training on how to ESCAPE after being kidnapped or bound/gagged and put in a trunk is VICTIM MENTALITY and a false sense of security with fairytale wishes."<<

This is false...

Learning to maintain a cool head and think through a situation such as this WITHOUT fear, and to defend oneself and\or escape from any number of circumstances is not a *victim mentality*. it empowers one to OVERCOME the *victim mentality* so many people walk around with these days.

The reason the *training* does this, especially when done realistically, is multifaceted... but primarily, it teaches the individual to deal with, confront, and think through their fears.

I have trained women who have been victims of assault before... that break down emotionally when confronted with a similar scenario in class due to post traumatic stress. In a real world scenario, they would be dead.

The training helps them to get beyond that *fear* and *memory*... and most by the time they are trained enough, can kick my butt - or at least give me a good run. In the process, they get their life back and for the most part, leave the assault behind them.

>>"A person with a gun is much much less likely to even make it to the "trunk stage" and god knows what else the attacker has in mind after that."<<

This assumes that the individual can use their gun to their advantage under duress... and that they have not exercised excessive force turning themselves into the criminal, and then subject to felony charges.

Another I know about found themselves in a hand to hand situation BEFORE they could draw their weapon from their purse... things happen very fast sometimes, and the false sense of security that the gun gave them... and choosing to draw it first, instead of acting appropriately with their physical MA training... was all the time the perp needed to move in and attack.

BTW - this was the friends daughter above who successfully dealt with the male attacker in a hand to hand. STRENGTH has VERY little to do with the successful defense when one is properly trained.

There are several disabling and kill strikes that really do not take much strength at all even with large males... if one knows them... and has practiced to an extent that it is instinctive.

>>"You all are letting the criminals dictate how society is run. The victims are blamed and the attackers become the victims."<<

I am not sure that I understand you clearly - you seem to be saying that preparing for an adverse situation through training is superfluous.

I STRONGLY disagree with you. If most people were trained to avoid, resolve, and then manage these situations with a clear level head, there would likely be far fewer victims in this world.

>>"And please give me some examples of when you said "all too often the defender is injured by the attacker with their own weapon". All too often? With a gun? Again you are giving the power and benefit of the doubt to the attacker and disarming the victim. A gun is much less likely to be taken away from a victim, compared to anything else that victim could be trying to defend herself with."<<

You can find these stories all day long...

http://www.policeone.com/close-quarters-combat/articles/100228-Cases-of-Offic...


http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-...


In an attack of any kind from verbal to physical... circumstances are NEVER going to be the same... each circumstance is unique, each individual is unique, and each circumstance requires quick and accurate assessment and an appropriate response. Responses can vary from simply walking away in the case of a verbal assault, to the use of lethal force depending on the circumstances, and everything in between.

One does NOT ever want to defend oneself and\or family inappropriately given the circumstances, themselves then becoming the criminal, and going to jail... that has happened to.

grz-


 

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