Date:   2/3/2010 4:01:20 PM ( 15 y ago)
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...from my experience is not some ultimate goal to reach... Well on this we agree. I don't see 'love' as some goal to reach. The fact of the matter it is the very nature of who we are. It is already the case. It isn't a goal to be achieved because Love is already the case, it is just covered over by the conditioning of the society - the clatter of noise and clutter of what is thought to be treasured knowledge accumulated within the intellect.  The whirlwind of circular logic that you are propounding is just adding more crap on top of what has already been collected - more dust on the mirror of consciousness, more layers of skin added to the onion.

Enough is enough! It isn't a goal to achieve because all goals are in the future, and the future never comes. Love is the case right now! At this very instance it is available...

If you really believe that your "infinite potential" is a concept containing all other belief systems, then why are you so opposed to other ways of self discovery? Why so much conflict with others? The best way for others to come out of false belief systems is when they feel they have discovered that it was false for themselves, not when it is imposed on them from the outside from others. Imposition will only cause an opposition - the defense mechanism of the other will be activated. The shields will go up. Have you not consider how it is/was the same for yourself when you came out of your conditioning?

I have experienced the state you and other's within the yogic belief system call "love" or "bliss." There is the possibility that you had chosen a poor teacher (guru means teacher), seeing how much your mind moves on these boards, I would not hesitate to suspect that this was the case. But I seriously doubt that you have ever experienced it. And absolutely you cannot say that your experience was identical to mine. I suspect that your definition of "having experienced" is just another head trip. You've read it something somewhere, processed in your brain and collected bits and pieces here and there and have stored it in your mind - Perhaps you may have witnessed it from the outside (not an actual particpant), but not an actual living experience of it, not an existential experience of it. Just all intellect, an intellectual understanding. Which is no understanding at all. It all remain fictious in your imagination. Not a real understanding whatsoever, in fact, all is misunderstood. Conflict is what you seek because it strengthens the ego, it is for ego gratification. That is what you appear to identify with.  

Why are you even communicating at all? I am here basically to exercise my left brain a bit. I have always been here ready to support you in what you had initially posted when you first came to curezone. Up until I became aware of how you seek to generate conflict, your method of setting people up so you can later dump crap on them, lay a quip down on them, a degrading remark, and then later came more conflicts. Personally, I have no interest in debating, the back and forth and up and down, the in and out. The debate forums are good for those that need to put off steam. But not good for the healthy to read such posts. Why would anyone want to wallow in anybody elses vomit?

This is curezone. I am here communicating today because of the false idiot pundit gurus like yourself who are capable of doing much more harm to others who may be authentically looking for a way out of the labyrinth they feel they have fallen into. Already lost, you encourage those to become even more lost within the web of your circular logic - ["Infinite Potential" a cave within a cave within a cave... within a cave, ad naseum] only to lead others deeper into the mire that may take them a much longer time than what is left in their lifetime in order to dig themselves out from under. 

The way to clarity is not by adding more crap on top of the crap that is already there but clearing out the attic. This cannot be done by placing another belief system on top of the already existing belief systems. [Yes, your "infinite potential" is just another kind of belief system.] It can only be done through a cleaning process, a process of unlearning. It is like removing layers of skin from an onion. Each layer of that crap that is a part intellect.

But you keep misunderstanding. You keep putting your own interpretation on top of whatever is written. Funny you preach of filters, it is always about the filters of others, and not about your own. Otherwise your language would change. It remains the same. Like most people, you are in the habit of looking outwardly at others, condemning and making judgments on others. The arrow is always pointing out at others. That same arrow can be a double headed arrow. But it seems you will not allow it. Are you above having it be as such?

You misunderstand when you interpret that laying the mind aside is to be done without ever picking it up again, attaining to a state of 'no-mind' is to remain forever. The point being is that everyone has been conditioned to continually keep the mind moving. And no one has shown anybody where the switch is to turn it off. The emphasis is on learning how to turn it off. To have the machine running continuously creates a sickness. If you go for a walk, you will use the legs. But when you come back home and sit down to relax and your legs keep moving unnecessarily, then you are sick. The mind thinks it is the master of your house. It needs to be reminded that it is in fact a servant, a tool to be used when it is needed. Instead, it is in a constant state of chitter chattering - most of the time it is absolutely unnecessary. This constant movement creates a constant tension in the body. The body gets sick because of it. One needs to know where the switch is. Finding the switch is what meditation is about. Once the switch is located then you can turn it on and off when it is needed. Yours is always on, too. But you don't want to look at it. Because seeing it, you will know that you are also absolutely insane. Just like everyone else. 

The mind is a great tool but it runs continuously. No one knows how to turn the mechanism off. It is unhealthy to keep it on all the time. And the world is a mess because of it. The emphasis is on learning how to switch it off. It doesn't mean that one moves to a cave in the Himalayas and never uses it again. Don't be such an idiot by pasting over you own interpretation of what is being said. 

Cheers -*- turiya  

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