Date:   9/7/2009 12:40:01 AM ( 15 y ago)
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>>"And I pointed out the digestive issues on the other forum. As I pointed out there is a big difference between the 8 to 14 year old girls that will have sufficient stomach acid and the ability to produce stomach acid and an older adult with declining stomach acid. The other thing to keep in mind is what is the likelihood that an 8 to 14 year old girl will be supplementing with magnesium oxide anyway? Older people are more likely to supplement since acid levels DECLINE with age making nutritional deficiencies more likely."<<

I did not point out the age references in my post, however did include this statement that you also quoted, "Again this depends upon digestive health, with what, and when taken." that with a bit of common sense and thought would have also addressed the age issue.

Your point is moot...

>>"Actually I can get acidified magnesiums in higher concentrations than that. Although this still does not change the fact that magnesium oxide is the least absorbed of magnesiums and magnesium oxide/hydroxide is caustic. That is like telling some one to drink Drano for the alkalinizing potassium hydroxide. All forms of minerals ARE NOT safe!!!!"<<

You may be able to get acidified magnesiums in higher concentrations... can everyone? I have read several of your posts stating that you get things not available to others... and then fail to list or post your sources. How does that help the common man?

Post what is most practical for most if you are not willing to divulge or share your sources.

In addition, as I have stated before... what you take, how much, with what, and when makes a difference too.

You are correct, absolutely in raw forms, not all forms of minerals are safe... however that does not mean that one cannot react them with something, like lets say, a food acid like lemon juice or ACV and create something altogether different, like say magnesium citrate or malate.

In high quality foods, minerals most of us would not eat in supplement forms, such as nicotine, arsenic, aluminum, fluoride, etc. are found... in forms we can tolerate, process, utilize and/or eliminate.

Again, your point is moot... people should FULLY know what they need, and are doing if they choose to take a supplement of any kind.

>>"I would like to see the study. Which study are you referring to? Is it a human study? What was the age group tested? Should I go back over how easy it is to manipulate studies to prove whatever it is that the researcher wants to prove?"<<

I apologize for that one... You will have to dig... I lost the site and study about a year ago... it was 6 people and all adults... I do not remember whether they were male or female or a mix.

It is easy to manipulate studies... It is also easy to do a linear comparison - if this, then that, and miss the bigger picture too.

If I learned one thing in organismal biology, it was bio-statistical analysis... all studies are lacking and all manipulate data to one degree or another as they cannot possibly include and take into account the plethora of influences, variables, and synergies involved.

RE: my quote: Another interesting aside here is that magnesium levels in blood are tightly regulated, and increased magnesium levels in urine happen with all magnesium supplements, including Epsom Salt baths or magnesium oil use...

That one has greater amounts in their urine is an indication that they are taking more than they can use at any one time...

Your response...

>>"Actually this is incorrect. First of all in order for magnesium to be excreted through the urine it must first be absorbed in to the bloodstream. Because less magnesium oxide is absorbed in to the bloodstream less of this magnesium is excreted through the urine. As more evidence to this acidified magnesiums such as malate and citrate are very effective in controlling calcium induced hypertension. Magnesium oxide/hydroxide is not, but it works as a laxative. Why? Because most of the magnesium oxide/hydroxide stays in the intestines where by its caustic nature it chemically burns the intestinal wall leading to a release of water in to the intestines and increased peristalsis. The same process by which bile dumping after gallbladder removal causes diarrhea. The chronic burning also increases the risk of intestinal cancer."<<

You state "Actually this is incorrect." and go on to state that magnesium must be absorbed into the blood stream... what about my statement, "magnesium levels in blood are tightly regulated, and increased magnesium levels in urine happen with all magnesium supplements, including Epsom Salt baths or magnesium oil use..." was incorrect? Of course the urine is blood filtrate, I understood and illustrated that to a degree... common sense. I stated the same thing you did in "correcting" me.

I am a bit confused on your response to that one...

>>"In addition magnesium can also be displaced, for example by alcohol consumption. The displaced magnesium can be eliminated through the urine. This does not mean the person has more magnesium than they can use. The same applies to calcium. For example a person can have hyperparathyroidism and can dump a lot of calcium in the urine. This does not mean they have more calcium can they can utilize. In fact this condition can quickly lead to osteoporosis."<<

This is true... any mineral for that matter can be displaced by any number of things, including minerals, and other nutritional factors... this is why supplementation is such a sticky wicket, and WHY, most people feel better and better... and then plateau and then start to decline over time if they continue to supplement one, or just a few nutrients, over too long of a period.

I am not quite sure where the errors were... however, no problem. I understand you take issue with some things such as hydroxides and oxides.

BTW - your post on NPNs is way off base... because the issue confounds many, especially us in the sciences...

Complexed proteins are mineral bound, and include lipo and glyco proteins...

NPN's are NOT complexed, they are made up of N, C, H, and O, without any lipid, Sugar or alkaline mineral attachment to the protein. This is why, like a refined, fat, or sugar, NPN's are not good for us in excess... natural forms made in the plant/animal/human as a result of metabolic function/process can be easily dealt with... excess and/or refined NPN's in foods (agri-chemicals on/in our foods and additives) cannot as easily be dealt with, especially if someone is nutritionally compromised, and most especially if that compromise is a result of mineral deficiencies.

This is most likely where chemical sensitives are physically...

Enjoyed our little chat.

Till next time,

grz-


 

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