Date:   8/10/2009 6:15:12 PM ( 15 y ago)
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Wow, JessesMom, great to see you again!

It has been a long journey for us, hasn't it?  You have definitely done your homework.  I am greatly indebted to this particular posting, and to all the research you've done.

Iodine supplementation:

New information came to me while you were writing your post.  In an email to me, Harmonic suggested the following:

"After beginning to supplement with Lugol's iodine, now magnascent...there is only sand in my flushes...no more stones.

I did not search for the link, but I was told that Iodine does dessolve stones. This makes for boring Liver Flushes , but I suppose it is a good thing!

Maybe iodine supping would help you? try checking out the Iodine supplementation forum..the one hosted by the VWT team."

I did iodine supplementation before to clear up a medically diagnosed case of cystic growths (there's a medical name for that condition, but I forget it at the moment).  Left untreated, these painful but benign growths can turn into cancer in all the sex-hormone related organs in both men and women, but especially women.  The iodine supplementation worked and my condition returned to normal.  However, when I stopped supplementing, my condition reverted back to it's original painful state.  So I recently began supplementing again. 

I had no idea that it might be related to stone production (and presumably other symptoms of imbalance) in the liver.  In fact, this condition almost certainly indicates a more general condition of imbalance, one that strongly affects the liver, but also other organs, too - obviously, the gall bladder, and probably the kidneys, just to name related organs.  So, some time in the next few days, I will do a comparison of more than 40 flushes along with the supplements I was taking at the time, to see if there is a relationship (for me) between stone production and iodine supplementation (or lack of).  Unfortunately, I have not done an iodine-loading test, so all I will be able to report at this point is a weak correlation, if I find one.  But I suspect that Harmonic is right, in my case.

I intend to also look at the relationship between vitamin C supplementation (along with co-factors) and stone production.

Response to your post

The thing that struck me on an immediate intuitive level (like the shock of sudden recognition) was that - YES! - you would have trouble metabolizing fat-soluable vitamins and nutrients, after losing the gallbladder.  Whether there was an underlying built-in problem metabolizing fat-soluable nutrients even before losing the gallbladder is a very strong possibility.

I doubt that I have a problem with copper build up, as I take high vitamin C doses and this tends to use up copper (and selenium).  However, I don't always eat or supplement consistently as I should, so I will look for this too in my records.  Much of the rest of the supplementation recommended by Cutler follows upon copper build up.

As for ox-bile, as you probably remember, I had a mixed experience with that.  However, if I just take it at the right time, there is no doubt in my mind that it would help with fat metabolism (and in fact, overall metabolism). 

I recall the debate the topic inspired.  For each, his own.  In our case, we have lost the ability to produce our own proper levels of bile and can never get that back - unlike the person who objected to the idea of taking ox-bile at all (that person still had a gall bladder).  But with the judicious (and timely!) intake of appropriate amounts of ox-bile, we can approximate a level closer to what we need than what our bodies can produce on their own now.  I wish there was a vegetable source of bile!  I will definitely look into this again.

Your post will require several more hours to absorb, so I'll have to return to this later - with great interest!

Thank you so much for sharing your experience and tips!

I promise to do the same in a few days!

pc

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