Date:   7/31/2009 10:35:51 PM ( 15 y ago)
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You pretty much explained what is written in the FAQ post which is that on it's own without the awareness and diligent follow up and the  required "lifestyle/dietary change" anyone using fasting for weight loss will fail. You just didn't like the way it was said and as usual with most dieters you quote the one line that Stanley writes about weight loss and you conveniently exclude all the other dietary and health sugestion he also makes in the book. The simple fact is that the book is short and brief and much detailed information is not included. FYI the MC was originally created to cure ulcers.

Because of the general colon and artery clogging SAD diet  and not just eating too many calories parts of the book like the "optional"  lax tea or SWF as written by Stanley have now pretty much become a must do and not just "optional". Another is Stanley also sez that you should drink water only "if desired" which as any "experienced" faster will tell is now pretty much a "must" to drink a good bit of additional water to have a succesful and/or easier time on the cleanse. Put that in your pipe and quote it ;+D

Exercise IS crucial to good health period and given the FACT that all forms of fasting slows the metabolism is is the BEST and most efficient way to get the metabolism back up to speed and  maintain any weight lost while fasting and just  plain and simple to maintain overall good health period. There are all kinds of possible ways to exercise that can be done to circumvent agravating most injuries. Tho you took the lazy ineficient road out and it worked for you due to your diligence and educating yourself, great!! applause applause!! but for the vast majority of folks that come seeking info on these forums and  don't have any injuries regular exercise is a MUST period The only bubble that got burst was yours cause instead of seeing the general gist of the post you took it as a "personal" afront cause it didn't fit what you did. If it don't fit you must acquit...........;+D

In addition simple common sense will tell anyone that  anyone that looses a good bit of weight in a fairly short period will generally get baggy saggy skin so it is not just optimal to exercise to bring the metabolism back up muuuuuch faster and for optimal health it will also help you look better which in a huge majority of cases is the reason people try and loose weight to begin with.

Your approach is mainly about calorie counting and it appears that you have adapted and done well so good for you on that. Viewing the larger picture what good is it to loose weight and eat crap and count calories and be "unhealthy" and/or  "prisoner" to the numbers on the scale and calorie charts. Sorry but that sound like a miserable existance to me not "doable " by most folks and that premise is older than Moses and outdated

The only canned response  here is yours cause it based on your narrow field of view based only on your personal experience and your specific condition and your knee jerk reaction and lack of comprehension of what is actually being said in the totality of the "FAQ" post. BTW that post is a combination and distillation based on  "years" of real world experiences of hundreds that have passed through this forum and I'm talking about the MC forum where this was "cross posted" to. Again on the "canned responce" BS yours is based on the same ole same ole myopic myth that weight loss is  based on calories taken in and calories,  burned which considering the prevalence of  the SAD diet it is only marginally useful based on the fact that the  obesity epidemic in the US is not so based on caloric consumption but on the bad quality of nutritionally devoid processed crap and trans fat that is clogging peoples arteries and  colons and not your classic "canned response" of caloric intake calories burned. THAT is the REAL cause of the obesity epidemic in this country and not  this caloric intake BS.

Until people start looking at quality of nutrition and overall health and  not the mentally enslaving myth of calorie counting the problem will continue to exist and get worse. To your credit you did lightly touch on quality of nutrition towards the end but the bulk of your post is based on numbers and calorie counting and the scale. The scale only gives you marginally useful info as you have no clue when your weight goes up or down if you just emptying your bowels or if it's water weight or even muscle that you are loosing and it is certainly no indicator of your >health< as it was so well expounded on in Seunims blog.

There was not a single place in the FAQ post that said anything about NOT loosing weight while fasting. It clearly states "We know the MC formula already and it is just about a "given" that >everyone< will lose weight on the MC." What part of that did you not understand?? You just selectively took things out of context to suit your myopic kneejerk reaction. The whole post was a comprehensise guide on what role fasting plays in a weight loss program and how to use it succesfully to not only loose  weight but keep it off in the most efficient, HEALTHY and >>>LASTINGT<<< way . Comprende?

What you achieved is certainly commendable and you are to be congratulated. You took the time and educated yourself and understood the principle and the crucial part about the follow up. You have the dicipline to deal with all the number counting but I will tell you in the 7 or so years I've participated on the MC forum I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the vast vast vaaaast majority of people that come here posting about weight loss and fasting are just looking for a magic bullet quick fix and are clueless about how fasting works and what actual role fasting plays as "PART" of a weightloss program and that by itself fasting for weight loss is a surefire plan for failure which is exactly what the FAQ post points to.

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