Date:   7/19/2009 12:09:59 PM ( 15 y ago)
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BTW..I forgot to tell you the most important thing, right off the bat...congratulations on the new addition to your family!

I'm curious to know more about why/how you got the idea to use cream of tartar?

I didn't realize it at the time when I started this stuff, but I definetly was magnesium deficient. I now also know that Lyme's also depletes magnesium. I haven't had the strong reactions I had in the beginning from the epsom salts, after getting the magnesium and electrolytes better balanced.

The sulfates in the epsoms are also what I now know I need daily, for the pathway that is lacking a needed enzyme to work in detoxing specific things like it should. 1/4- 1/2 tsp in water orally, or epsom baths, or glucosomine sulfate.

But, that's also one of the reasons I'm saying that everyone isn't in the same boat. It's been an interesting learning process, with much more to be learned ahead of me yet.

There was no way I could go 3 weeks with the lemon juice mix. I made it less than a week, just one time. I'm sure it's supposed to work on the same order as what the bitters do, in stimulating bile flow. Stimulating bile flow hurts if you have boulders blocking the path.

Having no gallbladder (bile salts recirculate, and become 5x more concentrated in the gallbladder) definetly does make a difference with the cholestrol stones forming too.
It only takes 3 days when there's not adequate bile salts.

For me, it's definetly not a matter of having to do something to get more stones. With the imbalances that having no gallbladder further causes, I am sure that now having a better understanding of the need for the bile salts with the choline is going to help. I've used one or the other, but not both at the same time. I'm now being diligent about using both the phosphatylcholine, with the bile salts 3x a day.

The ND had told me from day one, that without a gallbladder, I was going to need the bile salts the rest of my life. It was one of those things that Barefoot and Plz went ballistic about- the very idea of me using "dead animal parts". It was also one of those things I knew to do, but got negligent about.

>>>'Normal' Bile is a critically stable (Metastable) material. It is a mixture of 3 compounds:
Cholesterol
Bile Salts
Lecithin

They need to exist together in certain proportion and any imbalance in any of the 3 substances can lead to anomalies in the bile. Too much cholesterol and crystals of cholesterol and clumps of fatty material form. A drop in lecithin and crystals of cholesterol, clumps of fatty material and cluster of plastic like material form. A drop in bile salts and clumps of fatty material and cluster of plastic like material form.>>

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1457785


And, especially with no gallbladder, lipase has an important role in all this too.

http://www.answers.com/topic/bile


>>The bile micelles pass into the duodenum, where the detergent action of the bile salts emulsifies fats, which are then broken down by the enzyme lipase from the pancreas. Bile salts also assist the final absorption of the products of fat digestion. Both bile and lipase are necessary for the proper absorption of fats by the small intestine. Without one or other of these two, there is deficiency of the vital fat-soluble vitamins, A, D, E and K, and malabsorption causes fat to appear in the faeces (steatorrhoea).>>


http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james63.htm



>>>Most surgeons are blithely ignorant about the lost function of the gall bladder in patients who cholecystetomy. All patients lacking a gall bladder suffer from deficiency of bile acids. Patients lacking a gall bladder are unable to control bile secretion into the intestines to regulate proper absorption of fats, fatty acids, and fat soluble vitamins. Proper removal of toxins depends on bile acids that are not available in appropriate quantities after cholecystectomy. All persons who have had cholcystectomy need to take bile acids permanently. Without a gall bladder the patient has lost the ability to stock up on fat that can be used as a source of calories in illness and famine, essential fatty acids and fat soluble vitamins(A, D, E, K).>>

Surgeons won't also tell you, that the most common thing that happens with gallbladder surgery, is damage to the bile duct. I was also reading the blog of a surgeon that was saying that when surgeons leave the cystic duct (the one that goes from the gallbladder to the common bile duct), that people still have problems. He often times has to go back and remove that cystic duct that was left by other surgeons.

I can't help but also wonder about the scar tissue.

For me too, I'm sure the unknown celiac has played a role too. It's not a food allergy, it's damage to the small intestines, and an autoimmune problem.

>>Celiac disease appears to linked to anomalies in liver function. The celiac reaction can take effect anywhere in the lower digestive tract from the duodenum to the colon. Because each section of the intestines specialises in the digestion of different foods then celiac can have a wide range of reactions. If it damages the ileum then the liver can be affected greatly.>>
http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1458149


"If" I could turn back the hands of time, knowing then what I've learned now... (way back, because this stuff hasn't been going on just in the past few years)...

What a difference you can make in the health of your children in the long-term, because of what you are learning yourself.

 

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