Date:   6/20/2009 7:06:43 PM ( 15 y ago)
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 There are two types of pain receptors.

There are pressure receptors and there are pain receptors.

As you pointed out yourself below pressure is not pain.

Opiates will bind to pain receptors but not pressure receptors.

I did not mention opiates. I did mention endorphins, which are something different. Would you like me to explain them to you? Endorphins, like dopamine, are not the only pain killers in the body. There are also enkephalins.

If pressure becomes too great, pressure receptors will begin to sense pain and no opiates will help with this pain.

Why do you think I mentioned reducing the tumor size with the peroxide or ozone?

Cesium can actually stop cancer in it's tracks as can other stuff found here on curezone. But more on that.

Where are the studies to prove this?

BEWARE OF Hveragerthi!!!!!

Anybody who gets on the internet and diagnoses that your pain is NOT from something is assuming way too much, and is playing ameteur doctor without ever seeing labs, studies, xrays, pet scans, and without seeing the patient, and neglects to take into account that cancers are constantly leaking uric acid and lactic aci, period.

Do you even understand that our bodies produce uric acid and lactic acid all the time, cancer or not? This is basic physiology!!!! And you are a nurse?!!!

Even homeopaths, orthomolecular, natural paths will not do this.

Heck, I can press and put more pressure on several different nerves using my hand than any tumor can, pressure in itself is not pain with respect to nervous system. Pressure on a nerve does not automatically cause pain.

Yet you call pressure receptors pain receptors. Interesting conflict in your views.

Early pain on any nerve is typically caused, not by pressure, but by irritation or blocked blood flow.
(stenosis)

Stenosis is not irritation or a blocked blood flow. Stenosis means narrowing, as in spinal stenosis. Blockages of blood flow can occur  from stenosis, but also from other reasons such as compression, embolus and thrombosis. How long have you been a nurse?

If pressure on a nerve does cause pain, like a disk in your spine, the pain is often referred down the nerve to a different area of the body. Called referred pain.

So, simplify your situation.

If pain is from uric acid, lactic acid, and such,...alkaline substance simply neutralize the acid and poof, pain is gone for good.

Gee, we should all be in chronic pain since we all produce uric acid and lactic acid throughout the day even though we don't all have cancer. Our intestines should be really sore from all the acids produced by the flora. And I feel sorry for women since their vaginal cavities must be causing them constant pain from the flora there. Not to mention the flora on everyone's skin, which must cause everyone chronic pain from the acid mantle. Get real!!!

If pain is pressure from tumor, strong alkaline substances can inhibbit fermentation, inhibbit DNA replication, shut down hyperplasia mechanism, which will kill the cancer, (Koch, Warburg, Brewer.)

I guess that is true being that strong alkaline substances kill cells due to their strong free radical and caustic nature. Dead cells don't ferment and don't replicate. According to your HYPOTHESIS drinking Drano would cure cancer because it is a strongly alkaline substance.

Tumor still shrinks and dies and pain goes away.

So how do you explain this study?:

Zero efficacy with cesium chloride self-treatment for brain cancer

Samadani U, Marcotte P.

Mayo Clin Proc. 2004 Dec;79(12):1588; author reply 1588-9.

And why have you failed to mention the dangerous and deadly side effects such as hypokalemia, heart arrhythmias, and death? 

So, taking cesium chloride is still the number one recommended anti pain, anti cancer substance on the planet earth and there is plenty of clincal testing to support it!!!!

So let's see the studies. Link them here. If there are plenty you should be able to link at least 10 human studies showing efficacy in curing cancer.

It will neutralize acid if that is what is causing the pain, It will kill cancer/tumor if pressure is causing the pain.

Again, if acids cause pain then why isn't everyone in chronic pain since we all generate these same exact acids 24 hours a day?

So, get on the ball and start raising ph!

DANGEROUS ADVICE!!!! As a nurse you should be aware of the dangers of alkalosis, which means being to alkaline.

Final note about Hveragerthi*

No one should tell you NOT to take something alternative unless it is proven dangerous,

You mean like the cesium chloride you promote? Have you even looked at the side effects? It is very dangeorus and has even been shown to be deadly!!!

and nobody should tell you what something is NOT, unless they are willing to produce a medical background and have examined the patient in person.

We could apply the same line of thinking to making dangerous recommendations like cesium chloride. Should you be making such dangerous recommendations without examining the patient in person to see if the dangerous side effects of cesium chloride are worth the risk? Especially when safer and more effective alternatives, such as ozone, may be available?

Saying that it is the cause of pain when this is not likely is unethical. Again, why isn't everyone in chronic pain since we all produce these same acids all day, every day. This does not even require scientific verification. This should be simple common sense!!! To exapnd on the lack of comon sense, how do you explain a tiny neuroma causing so much pain. It obviously is not generating much acid. Again, try using some common sense rather than assuming something that makes no sense at all.

They don't leak acid, they secrete acid. The same acids generated by daily metabolism of healthy individuals and by the flora in and on our bodies.

is not recommended outlook on treating pain, and the above writer knows in his heart cancers leak acid, he is fully aware of this fact as he has read the same research I have.

His position is however, "Forget about the lactic acid and uric acid!"

I never said that. The body does a great job of dealing with these acids on their own.  Even breathing lowers lactic acid. But if you have read my posts I also mentioned nettle leaf many times to reduce lactic acid to prevent the lactic acid cycle from re-feeding the cancer cells. Same principle as hydrazine sulfate. And are you aware of why uric acid is important to the body? Apparently you have a lot of basics to learn about medicine. I will be more than happy to teach you if you decide to play nice!

Hmmmm! Not to cool of thing to say to a cancer patient in pain!

What? Telling the truth is not nice? Lying to a cancer patient and not telling them how deadly a therapy you recommend is not nice.

Hveragerthi has very strong chemistry background and has done a lot of research. But he has discreditted other therapies here on curezone while promoting ozone and other exoctic and expensive stuff that he personally likes but you know, his mechanisms of action are similar to other substances that are cheaper and easier to get on this web site.

Ozone does not have to be expensive. Units can be bought for a few hundred dollars or built for less than a hundred. And it is not dangerous like cesium chloride. And how much cesium chloride do you have to buy. From what I have seen it is not cheap, and it is not renewable. Once you have an ozone unit you can use it over and over and over....... And it works for many conditions. Therefore it is actually cheaper in the long run than cesium chloride. And ozone is less likely to end you up in the hospital with expensive hospital bills.

I also promote a lot of beneficial herbs. Most of them are less than a dollar and ounce. A lot cheaper than cesium chloride, and again less likely to cause side effects that will send you to the hospital.

He will not reveal his name, his credentials, and will earn your trust by correctly stating the truth about chemical mechanisms. He is very, very smart and will dazzle you with chemistry.Impress you!

I don't put out personal information on the web. Only a complete fool would do something like that considering all the nutcases out there. I have been threatened in the past on Curezone in the past. But based on your posts I can guarantee that I know a hell of a lot more about medicine than you do.

Then he switches to subjective opinions however, beware of what he says! This is a crossover to be careful of.

After all, it's not his pain and it is not his cancer, it's not his Mother, it's not his money!

So you are willing to gamble her life with an unproven treatment that has well known dangerous and deadly side effects!!! That says more than anything right there!!!

Bret Peirce, licensed nurse!
480-285-6716

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