Date:   4/21/2009 11:13:50 PM ( 15 y ago)
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 I don't mind arguing with people as long as they are logical and fair minded and I believe they have a honest motivation to get to the truth of a matter.

However, Hveragerthi, you seem to be a very contentious person motivated by winning an argument, with little or no interest in learning anything new or finding truth. I have debated with you once before and you showed this attitude, and you are showing it again. I see no point in continuing to argue with you on this matter, or probably any matter in the future.

YOU asked for evidence to dispute YOUR claim that YOU refused to post any evidence to. So don't whine to me because you were given what you requested and because it proves your hypothesis wrong.

Your latest tactic seems to be to bombard me with links to supposed evidence.

"Supposed evidence"? What do you consider real evidence? Claims from a sales site somewhere? The reason I posted so many links showing PROOF was because I did not want to waste a lot of time looking up more proof when you tried to nitpick apart all the studies. By posting more links I figured it would show you the truth being that it has been proven by so many studies that most of the flora do in fact take up residence. Foolish me to think that you would accept scientific evidence as real evidence. So let's forget all the scientific evidence and go back to common sense and logic again. So why do you believe that the original flora that took up residence from oral ingestion will not do the same thing later in life. Not to mention the fact that bacteria MULTIPLY. So yes, their numbers can come back up after antibiotic therapy has ceased. Again, you are never going to kill off all of any one strain of benefical bacteria, especially since many of them have shown antibiotic resistance.

Curiously, for effect, you have listed most of your links twice, as if this makes them twice as valid.

You assume a lot. I had made a copy of the links to see if they were duplicated. I went over them quickly and did not see the duplications so I pasted them back to the post. So any duplications were not intentional. And it does not change the fact that they proved what I said.

However, as was the case with the previous topic we debated, none of your links actually provide real evidence to back up your point of view.

LOL!!! You obviously did not actually read the studies. Hint: Reading the link addresses does not actually tell you what the studies found. If you would have actually read the studies they discuss things like colonization and adherance to intestinal cells.

In not one of your links was it shown that probiotics survived in the human intestine 14 days or more AFTER the probiotics were stopped.

One of the studies I looked at, and I think I di post, showed the numbers of intestinal flora had increased. That is pretty hard to do if they are not surviving. Furthermore these gains were also seen in test subjects that were not receiving probiotics. Again, the bacteria ARE NOT completely destroyed by the antibiotics and they multiply just like any other bacteria. This is why the numbers came back up despite not receiving probiotics.

Now I am sure you will come back with more arguments and links or whatever, because you simply must have the last word. I hope that makes you happy.

Of course I am going to respond when you are going to falsely claim that the links showed no evidence when they clearly did. If you still want the last word though I would love to see some studies that refute the studies I posted and that prove your hypothesis.

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