Date:   3/31/2009 1:49:55 PM ( 15 y ago)
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Here is the full text of the report http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/169/6/562

It seems they were eating lots of junk food, if that is the case it could be anything that caused the illnesses, though I don't fully understand how they came to their conclusions. Also the red meat itself was probably injected with hormones, and I believe there is Antibiotics in it as well. So maybe it is something in the red meat that's the problem.

I agree with mo123, that some meat infrequently is probably OK. I guess what's needed is a study of two groups of people, one on a healthy plant based diet with nuts and seeds, and another group on a similar diet with the addition of grass fed red meat in different quantities. Problem is, grass fed meat is hard to come by, and it would take a very long time to get the results.

John Robbins did a study of the longest living people, and found them to eat a mainly plant based diet, but they ate meat rarely. I trust him, he was the son of the ice-cream millionaires Baskin Robbins, but rejected that because his uncle died at an early age, and he figured it was the ice cream. On the book website he has a discussion on grass fed beef which is very interesting http://www.healthyat100.org/display.asp?catid=3&pageid=11

I think grass fed beef is probably fine in small quantities, or any animal that man does not interfere with in its upbringing. Wild game, for example.

Although we can eat meat, this post I made //www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1383643#i
contains an extract from the book "a delicate balance" and puts forward an interesting argument suggesting that we have evolved past the meat eating stage.

Although I think grass fed meat in small portions is probably OK, what Caldwell Esselstyn says about dairy makes me prefer to give cows milk, butter and cheese a wide birth.
 

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