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It is being claimed by Moreless that Candida results from acidic lymphatic fluid. What a JOKE!!! Anyone knowing even the basics of the human body would know that Candida is a natural part of the body. It is kept in check though from the beneficial flora, especially the acid forming Lactobacillus bacteria. In fact, many acids have been shown to control Candida overgrowth. These include lactic acid, acetic acid, caprylic acid, butyric acid, and tannic acid. When it gets out of control, Candiasis, then problems can occur. Moreless obviously does not have a clue about how things work in the body, or about pathogens like Candida. He ignores everything that has been learned from Science and medicine in hundreds of years and just seems to make things up as he goes. If you disagree with him you are accused of doing the Devil's work, which he has accused me of several times. I have posted the evidence. Moreless has come up with NOTHING credible to refute this evidence. Just more of his mumbo jumbo which I am going to address:

Moreless: "In Nature Bacteria create Acids and Cause the media to become more Acidic ! Then when the media becomes too Acidic the bacteria go Dormant and the fungi kick in and go to work to raise the pH until the pH gets too Alkaline ! Then the Bacteria come out of dormacy and start to create Acids to Lower the pH !"

Response: Yeasts are ANAEROBIC, which means they ferment instead of respirate. We should have all learned n 7th grade Science that anaerobic microbes form acids. Maybe this will help Moreless to understand this FACT!!!:

http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowPDF&ArtikelNr=20...


"Acid Production by Oral Strains of Candida albicans and Lactobacilli"

"Acid formation rates of yeast and lactobacilli proved to be similar at both neutral and low pH, while in a moderately acidic environment C. albicans produced less acid than the lactobacilli."

What we have to keep in mind is that the Candida is only producing small amounts of the acids because high levels are detrimental to Candida. Just like we need water but too much can kill us. Surely it could not be so Simple? yes, it can!!!

Moreless: "As Fungi(Yeast)Candida grows it Causes the pH of the media to raise and have a Higher pH !"

Again this is complete nonsense. As has been pointed out the Candida forms acids, which LOWER the pH (acidity), not raise pH (alkalinity). Could it be tis simple? You bet, very basic science! If Moreless cannot understand this simple concept then why should anyone believe anything else he makes up?

Moreless: "What does this mean?

Could it mean that Candida will then Stop growing when it has done it's job of raising the pH from being Too Acidic up to where the pH of the media has become Too Alkaline, thus ringing a bell telling it that it has accomplished it's job?"

Response: Once again Moreless acids ARE NOT alkaline!!! Therefore, Candida IS NOT creating an alkaline environment by releasing acids. I will be happy to teach you the difference between alkalinity and acidity if you really want to learn. Surely it could not be so Simple? yes, it can!!!

Moreless: "Should we check and see How many of these same so-called experts have been on these forums for Many years, yet still have not learned to Heal themself of Candida?"

Once again Moreless, everyone has Candida, it is a normal part of the body. It is the overgrowth, known as Candidiasis, that is problematic. You really should learn about what you are trying to make up. By the way, I don't have Candidiasis. Though I noticed someone posted on your board that they tried the alkalinizing thing for their Candidiasis and it DID NOT work. Go figure!!! Alkalinity promotes the growth of Candida and conversion to its dangerous hyphal form. Acidity suppresses the gene for Candida growth and promotes its relatively harmless yeast form. Cause and Effect!

Moreless: "If Hveragerthi's ideas are so correct as he Claims, then WHY cannot we find Many Success Testimonials of folks who have been Healed with his ideas??????"

I have been over this with your before Moreless. I have been working in alternative medicine and have a lot of success stories. That is why I so frequently get calls and e-mails from all over the world to help people with their health problems. Word of mouth from the people I have helped is the best advertisement. As I pointed out to you before though, I don't need to inflate my ego by posting testimonials. I also pointed out to you that anyone can make up fake testimonials. Which based on all your misinformation I would have to assume that this applies to nearly all of the ones that you feel such as need to brag about. Helping people and healing is something I enjoy. I do not do it to feed my ego like you do. In fact I have no desire to become famous like a movie star or something. If I had such as desire I would have identified myself and let everyone know how to get a hold of me. I don't need that kind of need to be known. That is an ego issue that very insecure people use as a crutch so they don't fracture their fragile, and often over-inflated, egos. I am plenty busy as it is, in fact often too busy. So I am fine with focusing on the healing aspect rather than the "boost your ego" aspect. Tis your choice what you want.

Moreless: "What is a Hydrocarbon?

Could it be a media that has an Excess of Hydrogen?

The more Hydrogen a media has makes it more Acidic !

Is this WHY thy call Crude Oil a Hydrocarbon?"

Response: ROTFLMAO!!!!! That is the funniest garbage I have ever heard in my life!!!!! According to that RIDICULOUS hypothesis crude oil should be so acidic that it would dissolve our bodies if we ever came in to contact with it!!! After all it is full of hydrogen as you mentioned. Thanks for the laugh Moreless!

Oh by the way, according to your hypothesis pure water should also be pretty acidic as it contains two hydrogen atoms and only one oxygen atom. Care to explain why pure water is not acidic even though it should be under your ridiculous hypothesis?

And what about ammonium, which is NH4 (one nitrogen and four hydrogen atoms). Oh but wait, ammonium is highly alkaline. But how could that be it contains so much hydrogen?

Here is some more proof for Moreless that acid controls Candida growth if he is ever willing to admit he is WRONG!!!:

http://www.arltma.com/CandidaNews.htm


"Acidity and candida. Yeast thrives in an alkaline environment. Gastric hydrochloric acid deficiency is widespread and allows yeast to survive passage through the stomach. The colon and vagina should be slightly acid, which would discourage yeast growth. However, in many people they are alkaline due to improper bowel flora, enzyme deficiencies and diets high in fruit and other carbohydrates."

http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/candida.htm


"Slow metabolism, deficient acid in the stomach, an over-alkaline intestinal tract and copper imbalance allow candida to flourish in the body. Weak adrenals, improper bowel flora, diets high in Sugar and taking Antibiotics , antacids, birth control pills and steroid hormones contribute to candida infection."

Note the parts about over-alkaline intestinal tract, low stomach acidity and antacids, which can be caused from ingesting sodium bicarbonate or calcium lime, and Antibiotics that kill off the acid forming Lactobacillus bacteria.

More from the above site:

"CAUSES - SLOW METABOLISM

In their order of importance, causes include slow metabolism, copper imbalance, alkaline intestines and tissues, medications, high carbohydrate diets and other toxins. Most people with candida are slow metabolizers. While their cells are more acidic, their intercellular spaces are too alkaline. Their bodies do not generate enough acid end products of metabolism such as lactic acid. Calcium, an alkaline-forming element, also builds up adding to the alkalinity. Candida thrives in an alkaline environment and becomes able to invade tissues and cause serious illness.

Slow metabolizers are also often deficient in hydrochloric acid. Stomach acid normally kills candida. This is one reason acidophilus, an acid-forming organism, often helps alleviate candida."

" Antibiotic overuse ranks high as a cause for candida. Acidophilus and other friendly yeasts help maintain an acidic intestinal environment. Antibiotics often kill acidophilus. E. coli and other bacteria replace the friendly organisms and produce an alkaline environment in which candida thrives."

"Antacids and other drugs that reduce acid may worsen candida by creating a deficiency of stomach acid. Ulcers and heartburn are often due to wheat allergy or factors other than excess stomach acid. Antacid drugs include Prilosec, Prevacid, Zantac, Pepcid, Tagamet, Mylanta, Malox, Gaviscon, Riopan, Rolaids, Tums, Nexium and others. Birth control pills and steroid drugs such as cortisone or prednisone also contribute to candida."

http://iai.asm.org/cgi/reprint/72/11/6206.pdf


LAB stands for lactic acid bacteria "LAB are also known to inhibit C. albicans colonization of the epithelium of the gastrointestinal tract in mice and subsequent hyphal invasion and systemic infection (45)."

http://www.candida-albicans-cure.com/probiotics.html


"Lactic Acid *
Acetic Acid *
Short Chain Fatty Acids *
These 3 lower the intestinal pH - making it too acidic for Candida to thrive"

What Moreless does not understand about acidity/alkalinity and Candida is that acids suppress the growth gene for Candida. It also keeps Candida in a relatively safe yeast form. When exposed to an alkaline environment the growth gene is turned on and the Candida converts to a dangerous, pathogenic hypha form. This hypha form allows the Candida to dig in deep in to the tissues leading to tissue and organ damage. Molds also contain hyphae, which is what allows it to dig deep in to harder surfaces such as wallboard or cheese.

Moreless pretends that he is smarter than all the scientists, medical personnel and people with common sense in the world. I just hope he wakes up to the truth before he seriously hurts someone with his dangerous made up claims!!!pH
 

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