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Dquixote1217 writes:
Why would I want to be free from my own mind?  Would that not be mindless?  Better to be free WITHIN my mind.

You probably would not want to be free from your own mind because obviously you have not had enough of the misery that is caused by it. You have not come to see that the mind is the cause of the misery in your life. That mind, when used obsessively and incessantly, becomes a great troublemaker. You still consider it to be a valuable treasure. So, until you have made the connection, you will not want to be done with it.

Those that have come to see that mind is the real troublemaker, that it indeed is the real cause of all suffering, and the only thing that prevents any real freedom from being realized -only they are ready to drop it. There are certain moments when people come to realize that they have had enough of the misery, and come to the point -when it is so much of a crescendo in their lives- that one does not know the way out of the mind except for suicide. It usually comes at times like these, when one is suffering very very much from a nervous breakdown, the mind is torturing one too much, bringing the individual to a time for a complete nervous breakdown, that is when a real breakthrough is possible. That is when it is very easy to get out of the mind. If one only knows how to do this for himself.

Either someone commits suicide and ends the suffering, or finds a way to cover up the suffering with drugs, or finds there way into meditation - of finding a way of living life that transcends mind. If one is fortunate enough to find the latter of these, one usually moves into a life of spiritual growth. And meditation provides for the foundation.

Would that not be mindless?

Many people define meditation differently. The simplest way is the art of putting the mind aside. Zen people call it settling into a state of ‘No Mind’.
So, yeah, in this regard it is a mindless experience as you put it. Society has done a good job on all its members, conditioned everyone to believe it is very much a negative thing–to be mindless. In this regard, you are a good, well conditioned member of society –believing what you have been told over and over and over again. And being a well respected man of knowledge, aspiring to be also a great thinker, -I can understand you would have no use for such idiocy.

Better to be free WITHIN my mind.

Freedom within the mind, it has a nice ring to it. It is intriguing and inviting to those that are into thinking and holding beliefs. For those that identify themselves with being an intellectual type of person. You would have made a good student of someone like Rene Descartes, and his words are the words of an intellectual. I think therefore, I am. If you look at this arrangement of words, thinking is place above being. it has a higher priority than a state of being. It mean also this, that thinking about God is greater than being in a state of godliness.

I personally think Descartes was a psychotic. Because this is what he was about. He tried for years to prove, on paper, in a written argument, that God exists. How much more psychotic could one become after so many years of trying to do the impossible. He also was trying to seek freedom by traveling within the mind. Mind can only deliver to you a pseudo, kind of fake type of freedom.  To look for freedom within the mind is like walking into a large prison. The prison may have many doors and many rooms in it. Potentially it can contain vaults and vaults of knowledge. And the rooms may may be nicely decorated, they may be even glittered with silver and gold. But it is still a confinement area, it is a prison within the dimension of time, confined with thinking of the past and and thinking about the future. And this dimension is separate from this present moment, which is the only reality there is.

Keep on keeping on, -*- turiya

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