Date:   3/7/2009 4:53:13 AM ( 15 y ago)
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Personally I don't buy that guy (Chris Masterjohn), I read the long rebuttal by Campbell here. http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/campbell_china_response.htm

It is long and detailed, but I will just post an extract with a couple of links added in, and the summary at the end:

EXTRACT:
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"It was the aggressiveness and supreme confidence of the WAPF people that was, for me, puzzling. Was this group scientifically experienced and qualified to be so certain of their views? They certainly wrote well and presented their arguments in a seemingly scientific manner—at least for the lay reader. I therefore became engaged in an email dialogue with Mr. Chris Masterjohn to learn about his background and his sources that seemed to be so closely aligned with WAPF interests."

[Note: WAPF is Weston and Price Foundation, http://www.westonaprice.org/]

"I learned that Masterjohn was a 24 year old 'chapter leader' of WAPF in Massachusetts. He claimed that he was a former vegetarian who nearly lost his life (according to his account) because of his following the earlier advice of John Robbins. He said that he only knew 'former' not present vegetarians and was convinced that every vegetarian would eventually learn the error of their ways. Most importantly, he has had no first hand experience or training in experimental nutrition research and no professional peer reviewed publications. He has his own website that promotes consumption of high cholesterol high fat foods . He also writes for the WAPF website . I am impressed with his writing skills but not with the content of his argument. I also wonder, however, whether his writing skills have been honed and reviewed by his superior, Sally Fallon, who has training in English. (I recently saw, for example, a final Masterjohn draft report that was circulated to a large group of people for comment. In this report, he concludes that dairy is not an important source of dioxin, opposite that reported in a 10-year report by EPA, among others.)"

[Sally Fallon is the President and Treasurer of the WAPF http://www.westonaprice.org/board.html]

"The fact that the WAPF people and their enthusiasts are so hostile to our book, to me personally and to anyone reflecting similar views needs some elaboration. Masterjohn, for example, claims in his website that, in effect, I am primarily being subservient to the animal rights agenda and more specifically to the Physicians' Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) who according to Masterjohn, are associated with PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals). (I have been for some years on the PCRM Science advisory board and am pleased to continue doing so.) He assigns guilt by association for me by pointing out how the US Department of Justice has labeled PETA a domestic terrorist threat. JayY, who mysteriously remains anonymous, also repeats some of this same animal rights mantra on the Amazon.com website.

I find it puzzling that these critics want to make this point. Much of our earlier—and seminal—research was conducted on experimental animals. This was an activity that does not please the more vocal animal rights advocates, some of whom have pleaded with me to eliminate the animal research findings from my public lectures"

SUMMARY:
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"My present views on diet and health are based on the consistency of the vast majority of evidence produced by a wide variety of studies. I see three types of evidence that has most influenced my present views. First, there is the research data from our own studies that are summarized in our book. Second, there is the evidence obtained by many other laboratories, a sample of which is summarized in our book. Third, there is, perhaps, the most important evidence of all, the clinical experiences of the practicing physicians who I had come to know, especially those of Drs. John McDougall, Caldwell Esselstyn, Jr., Terry Shintani, Joel Fuhrman and Alan Goldhamer. For me, these medical practitioners, entirely on their own initiative and knowledge, were advising, with impressive success, their patients with the same information that I had come to know from the scientific literature and laboratory. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. The idea works!"

[Dr John McDougall http://www.drmcdougall.com/about.html
Dr Caldwell Esselstyn Jr http://www.heartattackproof.com/biography.htm
Dr Terry Shinatani http://www.webhealthforyou.com/page/240
Dr Joel Fuhrman http://www.drfuhrman.com/ask/default.aspx
Dr Alan Goldhamer http://www.healthpromoting.com/node/13



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For me personally, the heart story of Dr Crow as told by Dr Esselstyn and others similar has led me to believe that they are probably correct, and I can't find such a wealth of research going the opposite way, so I think plant based foods are safer.

Sure it's OK to eat meat if you don't have a heart condition, but good meat in small amounts, but you don't get that these days.

My opinion on milk has changed though. When it was pointed out why do we drink cows milk and not cats milk or dogs milk, I thought how stupid this was. I found that soy milk was just as nice, I only drink it in small amounts anyway, so I have made that easy change.
 

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