Date:   3/1/2009 9:05:36 PM ( 15 y ago)
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Hey Tomi,

""HOW CAN THERE BE A LOVING CREATIVE LIFE FORCE OUT THERE!"

Well there is, it's called NATURE"

But Tomi, nothing physical can't create itself. Everything seen and unseen is an effect which has to have a greater cause. Since nothing physical can create itself, this "creative life force" has to be something none physical. There's no other option. A fact scientists hate to even think of.

Yes, if we abuse nature, it will show us who's boss.

"We don't own it, we borrow it." Right, we don't own it. Science tries to imitate it and very poorly I must say. I guess you could say we borrow it, but I would say abuse it. That's all we know pretty much.

"We are part of it, with the rest of life." Yes we live in nature along with the rest of living creatures, but there is another aspect to us too. Something non-physical. 99% of the universe is non-physical.

"It gives life and takes life." Now you're talking about something that "gives life", not something we live in. There is absolutely no evidence nature "gives life". Science has been trying to prove this for years and have nothing worth mentioning for proof. Everything in the universe is an effect, so there has to be a greater cause. If there is life, there has to be some greater source of life that caused it. If there is love there has to be some greater source of love that caused it. Cause and effect are real, observable laws that can be seen everywhere in the universe, not some equation or abstract thought and is a law that Science ignores and uses when ever it fits their silly theories.

"That's the loving creative force that you seek." No. The "loving creative force" I "seek" or have come to know some what, is something that's greater than everything you've mentioned. It's the source or cause for all you've mentioned. Since it's not physical, it can't be sensed by physical means, but it can be experienced. Just like you can't see UV rays, but you can experience them.

"It's a known fact that if all the Bees died, human existence would be at an end in four years, something to ponder on isn't it?"
There are valleys in China where there are no bees. They've learned to pollinate themselves. So yes, no bees would screw up the current system, and would kill many, but people would survive. Where there's a will there's a way. By the way, all bees will not die, just like people. In this universe anything is possible. All that's required is knowledge, belief, and love.
 

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