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Foy on non-fermented soy by Dquixote1217 ..... News Forum

Date:   12/19/2008 3:04:02 AM ( 16 y ago)
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Somehow I just knew that article would get a response from you.

You know, we could just agree that non-Roundup Ready GMO soy which has been fermented is generally considered good and the rest bad, but OK, here goes.

What is no myth is the fact that way too much soy is Monsanto lab engineered GMO Roundup ready soy.  That in itself is a deal breaker for me.

Furthermore, it is no myth that the huge soy industry has funded any number of studies extolling the benefits of soy, the same as Merck funded studies extolling the benefits and safey of Vioxx, Avandia, Gardasil and Fosamax.  To the funders go the postive results.

I rather doubt that it is a myth that the incidence of stomach cancer in Africa was very low until soy was introduced as part of their diet and the incidence of stomach cancer has risen in parallel to the increased use of soy.

I have no arguments with the benefits you list - provided that the soy source is a non Roundup ready GMO version which has been fermented.   Which is pretty much what the article I posted said.

I realize that you are a proponent of soy and I like learning from you in many instances, but I have to wonder if you are not a victim of the soy industry hype?  How do you explain how widespread the opposition to soy is if it is merely a myth? If it is a myth, it is one that is supported by a great many highly credentialed sources both inside and outside the mainstream who are not connected to the soy industry.

For example, Mary Enig.  You do not strike me as someone who would normally be at odds with one of the main opponents of soy:

Mary Enig:

Mary Gertrude Enig, Ph.D. (born 1931) is a nutritionist who reviews research on and writes articles about the nutritional aspects of fats. Enig attended the University of Maryland, College Park (UCMP), receiving an M.S. in (year?) and a Ph.D in Nutritional Sciences in 1984. She has been a Licensed Nutritionist in Maryland since May 1988.[1]

Enig is a Fellow of The American College of Nutrition (presented with its "Mastership Award" in 2003),[2] a member of The American Society for Nutritional Sciences[3] and a member of The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics (THINCS).[4]

Professional history

Enig is the co-founder, Vice President and a member of the Board of Directors of The Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF).[5] Prior to the founding of the WAPF in 1999, Enig worked as a nutritional consultant for individuals, industry and governments worldwide through Enig Associates, Inc., a small, scientific/engineering firm.[6] She was a faculty research associate at UMCP with the Lipids Research Group in the Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry from 1984 through 1991.[citation needed]

Research at UMCP

While in graduate school and later as a research associate, Enig participated in biochemical research on lipids and contributed to several scientific articles published by UMCP research teams.

Dietary advice

Much of Enig's dietary advice regarding fats is in opposition to the consensus of the medical community. .[7]

Coconut oil

Enig is a vocal advocate for dietary consumption of coconut oil, a medium-chain saturated fat, and has written multiple articles regarding the health benefits she claims it has. [8][9][10][11] She claims Lauric acid, the main acid in coconut oil, "has antimicrobial properties and is the precursor to monolaurin, the antimicrobial lipid." [12] She also states that lauric acid "gives human milk its major antimicrobial properties, and it may be a conditionally essential fatty acid [13] since it cannot be made by mammals other than the lactating female and must be obtained from the diet."[14]

Enig is critical of lowfat diets for weight loss and states in summary: "Perhaps the best way to lose unwanted weight (excess weight in the form of fat, that is) is to change the type of fat in the diet to the type of fat found in the coconut." [15] In collaboration with Sally Fallon, co-founder of the WAPF, Enig wrote a book about coconut-based diets for weight loss.[16]

Enig also claims that natural coconut oil may be effective in the treatment of AIDS and other viral infections. [17]

Saturated fats

Enig disputes the Lipid hypothesis which argues that consumption of saturated fats contribute to heart disease[18] and claims that big business and other powerful vested interests played a significant role in the negative portrayals of saturated fats. [19]

She claims that an (unspecified) study conducted during the early 1970s by Canadian scientists on rapeseed and canola oil, concluded that at least 25% of fat in the diet should be in the form of saturated fat.[20].

Enig claims that the "maintenance of a healthy digestive system requires input from lipids, which include molecules such as cholesterol, appropriate saturated and polyunsaturated fatty acids, and other lesser known components such as glycosphingolipids."[21]

Cholesterol

Enig argues that cholesterol does not contribute to heart disease and calls it a "phony issue." She goes on to say that "New research continues to show that the saturated fats are not a problem, that the trans fatty acids found in partially hydrogenated vegetable fats and oils really are a problem, and that the lack of appropriate balance in the diet of the polyunsaturated omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids is also a problem."[22]

Homogenized milk

Enig's organization, the WAPF, is an advocate of raw milk and claims that "homogenized milk has been linked to heart disease." [23] Extensive research conducted by Danish scientist Uffe Ravnskov and supported by such experts as Ron Schmidt, MD, indicate a causal relationship between homogenization and heart disease. Recent research likewise suggests a relationship.

Scientific papers and editorials

  • Enig MG, Munn RJ, Keeney M. Dietary fat and cancer trends--a critique Fed Proc. 1978 Jul;37(9):2215-20.
  • Enig MG, Munn RJ, Keeney M. Dietary fats and cancer trends--response. Fed Proc. 1979 Oct;38(11):2437-9
  • Enig MG, Pallansch LA, Sampugna J, Keeney M. Fatty acid composition of fat of selected food items with emphasis on trans components. J Amer Oil Chem Soc 1983;60:1788-95
  • Enig MG, Budowski P, Blondheim SH. Trans unsaturated fatty acids in margarines and human subcutaneous fat in Israel Human Nutr: Clin Nutr. 1984;38C:223-230.
  • Enig MG, Atal S, Keeney M, Sampugna J. Isomeric trans fatty acids in the US diet. J Amer Coll Nutr 1990; 9:471-486.
  • Enig MG, Atal S, Keeney M, Sampugna J. Responses to Drs Applewhite and Hunter; Drs de Villiers, Grundy, Holub and Kummerow; Dr. Katan. J Amer Coll Nutr 1991;10:512-514; 517-518; 519-521.
  • Goldberg ML, Enig MG. Palmitic and lauric acids and serum cholesterol. Am J Clin Nutr. 1993 Aug;58(2):244
  • Ravnskov U, Allan C, Atrens D, Enig MG, Groves B, Kaufman J, Kroneld R, Rosch PJ, Rosenman R, Werkö L, Nielsen JV, Wilske J, Worm N. Studies of dietary fat and heart disease. Science 2002;

For more informaton, including no fewer than 228 studies about the dangers of soy, see: 

  • http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~djw/pltx.cgi?QUERY=soy
  • Dangers of Dietary Isoflavones at Levels Above Those Found in Traditional Diets, Posted 19 OCT 2002
  • Studies Showing General Adverse Effects of Soybeans, 1971-2001, Posted 19 OCT 2002


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