Date:   12/9/2008 1:18:48 PM ( 16 y ago)
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hi Chris, i've not been following this thread, or the forum much at all, lately, but I wanted to respond to this statement of yours:

"Fasting of yesterday is no different to today: has the chemistry/physiology of the body changed in the last 150 years? No."

not to disagree with you -in principle- but rather to note that there's a substantial piece of information missing from the picture you paint(edit: with that statement). There *is* a difference in the human body in that it is both subjected to far more toxins of the non-organic sort,(think of melamine, as just one) and, it's more likely to be nutritionally-depleted, considering our soils have been stripped of -i don't know the exact figure, but, to be conservative, about 40 percent of the minerals that food of "yesterday" would have grown from. Consider too, a greater range of produce, that no longer has to travel the slow route (like on ships), and you have people in general eating 'out of season' food, that is incorrectly balanced, since food best 'fits' the bodies that live where it grows:I don't mean this in the etheric sense(though that does have great relevance), but in terms of sodium/potassium, non-protein nitrogen or "funny protein", etc. Edit: the result of this out of season eating is that what would normally alkalize the body, in fact does the opposite. More acidity requires more minerals. The body tries to use the calcium as if it were the missing minerals, resulting in all kinds of problems, physically, chemically, hormonally... it's a far more complex picture than I have a grasp of; but I know enough to do a little better than give myself trouble. :-)


When you have bodies ingesting any number of bizarre substances, some of which
require complex methods of chelating to be 'liberated', then you have a picture quite different from the one of 75 years ago, and so on. Some ' CureZone Experts ' theorize that anyone born after 1990 will likely only live to around age forty. This grim forecast is made on the basis of -among other things- some of the constituents that make up chemtrails, as tested and reported on by one lab in Victoria, B.C.

I don't want to be discouraging people from what I have seen to be the benefits of water fasting, but just to get a little clearer perspective on this notion that the human body has not changed, chemically, physiologically. Leaving aside the discussion of chemicals, pesticides, drug residues in drinking water, widespread MSG, (on "natural" foods like lettuce, too) and on and on; just thinking of the mineral content of today's fruits and vegetables, even the organic ones, Brix-testing with a refractometer will tell a very different tale to the one of times past.

Even if a person is taking mineral supplements, there are enough complexities in the delicate instrument that is the human body, that chances are one is not even assimilating much that goes in. As well, so much of the naturopathic world of supplements is as fake as the allopathic medications that "manage" illness.

So, I would say, a lack of mineral reserves is a much more likely scenario for anyone going into a water fast, these days, as compared to say fifty years ago. (and as you know, a lack of mineral reserves is a problem,in, or out of a water fast). As for 150 years ago, we are talking about a very different body to the one of today. Far less complex foreign residues and far more of what Macrobiotics say, is based on: eating according to what grows where you live. That's something that magically nature has worked out for us. Milk, just for example, actually used to be far less the poison it is now. Used to even be 'healthful', as I'm sure some Hygienists would agree. Not so now. Now, with homogenizing, pasteurizing, fake food and drugs for the cows and what all, milk today is a lot like slow death. (Unless you can find good raw milk.) Personally, I've never drunk it. Don't like it, but I do like yogurt, at times.

Anyway, this is some of why I am growing alarmed at many of these "i need help quick" posts that have the distinct sound of a lack of information; a lack of interest in reading and study, (reading a couple posts doesn't count) adds up to not much comprehension of the way the water-fasting body works, let alone an appreciation of the fine balance of minerals that are the bedrock, literally, of the body.

The good news is, that Water Fasting *can* do some lovely tinkering that amounts to a good tuneup. And maybe the big 'miracle' of a well-thought out Water Fast is that one is naturally led to well-mineralized food, afterward. Like a newfound love of apples...(That is, and this is important: unless the Water Fast is just a "symptom" of an eating disorder). We shouldn't oversimplify the whole thing, nor bend the truth to make a point. And i think your statement was more in the spirit of rejoinder (to anya) than up-to-the-minute fact.

best
Chiron

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edit: just to clarify, after reading Chris's response to this, that there are countless poeple who care about health and don't have the resources (in terms of understanding, or financially)to buy the very finest mineral supplements, nor to eat organic. I'm talking about the general populace suffering the negatives. That one person always buys organic and takes the finest orthomolecular supplements is wonderful -- and fortunate, but the fact is, that's not an option for millions upon millions.
 

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