Date:   11/15/2008 8:25:52 AM ( 16 y ago)
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Hi Hveragerthi,

Your comment: Your analogy is worthless. It also shows how little you understand the concepts that you are trying to explain. Steel will still deform before it breaks. How far that deformation is its flexibility. Even a sheet a glass will bend a little bit before it shears.

I figured out a more simplistic way to explain to you why you are wrong about the copper as well. As I mentioned the copper is a catalyst, not a part of the elastin. By your irrational thinking we would have to say that platinum is what makes gasoline vapors explode because platinum is a catalyst in the production of gasoline. Of course this is not the case, just as copper as a catalyst DOES NOT give tissues their elasticity. If you still cannot see this then you are well beyond help!

As for the elasticity and flexibility issue. Again, you must have flexibility in order to have elasticity. You do not need elasticity though to have flexibility. Consider a fresh rubber band, which is elastic. Though it is also flexible. If it was not able to flex then it would also be unable to be elastic since it would not be able to deform (its flexibility).

So you want to ask me for evidence even though you refuse to do the same. OK, I'll play your little game since you apparently cannot back any of your claims.

Definition of flexibility:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexibility



"In materials science, the amount of deformation an object can be bent, twisted, lengthened or compressed due to a force or stress is called the strain."

"Elasticity is the ability to deform under stress (e.g., external forces), but then return to its original shape when the stress is removed."

Now, notice that deformation (flexibility) is involved in elasticity, just as I have been saying. So are you still going to claim that science is wrong and you are right? If you can prove science wrong then you should be nominated for the Nobel Prize for your discovery.

As for varicose veins, have you ever seen a hard varicose vein? Of course not. The veins have not become hard from acid as you claim, they have lost their strength and elasticity, which allows the blood vessels to balloon out. Another fact you can easily verify is that athletes will also develop varicose veins as long as they maintain their exercise regime. Is this from acid? No. Are the varicose veins hard and stiff? No. Is it a problem for the body? No. The veins enlarge in order to allow more blood flow to the muscles to handle the higher demand put on them.

--Moreless Answer--: WHY do you have such a Hard time reading what I write?

My Orginal post was about Varicose veins --and-- Busted veins, each which may be Different, I am talking about two different items of concern ! I am sorry for you that you seem to Only read and see what you want to?

I totally agree with this above Quote you posted: "In materials science, the amount of deformation an object can be bent, twisted, lengthened or compressed due to a force or stress is called the strain."

"Elasticity is the ability to deform under stress (e.g., external forces), but then return to its original shape when the stress is removed." --End.--

The evidence you requested:



http://ves.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/28/1/23



“The amount of collagen and elastin was studied biochemically and histologically in two groups of human normal and varicose veins. The collagen content was higher in both dilatated and morphologically normal segments of varicose veins when compared with normal veins, whereas the elastin content was markedly decreased only in the dilatated segments of varicose veins.”

Pay really close attention to that last sentence. Notice, a loss of elastin in the varicosed areas. Not harder, not stiffer, not acidic, but a loss of the elastin, which causes the veins to balloon out and stay that way.



http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=3030817



“the ratio of elastin to collagen was lower in varicose than normal veins”



http://lib.bioinfo.pl/meid:87327



“Disrupted connections between SMC and elastin fibers could in turn induce the weakness of the venous wall observed in varicose vein disease.”

Hmmm…. “Weakness”, not stiffness, just as I said.

Now some evidence that hops are responsible for the beer belly:



http://www.naturalnews.com/np/N/Nutrition-estrogen.html



"This phytoestrogen can be detected in beer, but the levels in beer are low and should not pose any cause for concern, although the phytoestrogens in hops can cause fat to be deposited into the classic "beer-belly" pattern."



http://onibasu.com/archives/am/95330.html



"Beer also has an estrogen like compound. That's why men get a "beer belly"."



http://www.reducetriglycerides.com/reader_triglycerides_beer.htm



"Fat sticking around the abdomen creates a "beer belly," also called "hypertriglyceridemic waist." "



http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/nutrition/15637-what-best.html



"As your testosterone levels increase you lose more fat: - Doctors have beaten the beer belly, with the help of testosterone. They doubled the blood level of the hormone in a group of patients and reduced their obesity by more than 15 per cent in just six months."

And what does testosterone do? Ah, that's right it not only helps to promote muscle formation, but it also ANTAGONIZES the estrogens, including the phytoestrogens that cause a beer belly. See no acid involved.



http://jessamyn.typepad.com/fitfather/2005/06/enough_is_enoug.html



"a lot of men just have a "beer belly" because males store adipose tissue (fat) in their greater omentum (belly)"

Gee it seems that everyone is aware of this fact that I pointed out except for you. How much more evidence do you need? Oh that's right, you hate to be proven wrong so you will still ignore the facts no matter how much proof is provided. Oh well, for the benefit of those that really have the capability of learning it is also well known in science and medicine that male alcoholics can also develop breasts. Is this from acid as well? Of course not. It has to do with the fact that certain alcohols such as beer; as I already mentioned, gin, ouzo, and whiskey are all very estrogenic.

I can see why you want a "private" forum. You can sit here and suc*** people all day with your BS. And when someone challenges your false claims and they don't back down to your barrage of insults, instead of evidence since it does not exist in your case, you change your strategy to pushing the burden of evidence on to the other person. So now that the evidence has also been presented that you are wrong, I wonder what your next move will be. Hopefully it will finally be an admission that you were wrong and an apology for all your insults. We'll see.

--Moreless Answer--: You still don't get it?

While you are caught up in the Details of the Proteins and or other many different processes in the body you have ignored what it takes to 1st build these! It is called the ---Root---Cause that you seem to be overlooking?

WHY do folks overlook the Root Causes?

We can talk about the apple all day long, but figuring out WHY the apple is red or yellow or sweet or sour is a Different consideration that has to be addressed from the stand point of the Acid/Alkaline pH Balancing Principles that control Everything in the entire Universe !

I am talking about the Root Cause, not about after the Fact as you seem to be Hung up on?

Anyone can pull stuff off the internet all day long as you have and repeat what someone else Claims, but it does not make it so as an answer for the Root Cause for the Sickness and Diseases many folks are finding themself having !

Maybe we need to ask the question: What is your real purpose in Life? Where is your Real Proof that your ideas are Helping Many Folks learn to Heal themself Naturally?

What use is your Grand Self proclaiming ideas if it does not help anyone learn to Heal from their Sickness and Diseases?

I have provided "YOU" with this Link of the Many Success Testimonials from Many folks whom have used the ideas being Freely shared here to learn to Heal themself and these may be found "Following this Link:


http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1028760#i


Please do not come to this forum anymore without providing Proof that "YOUR" ideas have helped many different folks by their own Success Testimonials to learn Healing from their Many Sickness and Diseases !

There are already too many supposed Experts like you on curezone who have been Educated beyond their own Intelligence that are more concerned in their own Greatness than in folks needs to find Healing !

This forum is about WHY the Root Cause of --ALL-- Sickness and Disease and How to overcome these problems to find Healing !

The Proof that these Freely shared ideas are Correct is in the many Success Testimonials provided for anyone able to read them !

Are you able to read them and understand what you are reading?

Cause and Effect !

"WE" are What "WE" Eat !

Smile Tis your choice.







 

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