Date:   11/9/2008 4:54:54 AM ( 16 y ago)
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I am really getting tired of your irrational nonsense!!! You keep claiming that I said things that I did not say. I guess that is par for the course for someone that claims that all animals produce their own vitamin C, among your many other erroneous claims.

And I find it interesting that you are always claiming something about a patient that supposedly exists, or referring to some Nobel Prize winner, though you can never say specifically what they said. Typical of someone that does not understand the basic facts, so they try to BS the person. As I pointed out before you are the poster child for if you cannot dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bulls***!!!

>a lou gherigs patient who should have been dead ten years ago, thinks you are >corrupt, and is offended by your statements.

I have not seen any evidence of your telling the truth yet. So why should I believe you now? And let's say for a moment that this person is for real and they are still alive. What does that prove? People survive chemotherapy all the time. Does this mean it worked? Of course not. Does this mean it is safe or effective? Of course not. If you had any type of REAL medical background then you would know about spontaneous remissions. You would also know that changes in lifestyle, such as diet, stress reduction, avoidance of stimulants, etc. all affect outcome. This is why one supposed patient is hardly proof of anything other than your desperation to win the debate at any cost!!!

>this guy would be dead if he listen to you.his disease was so much more dangerous >than this protocol ever could be!!! you foolish little man!

LOL!!! Oh how Christian of you, LOL!!! You really need some anger management therapy, as well as some real life medical training. So you said if he listened to me. So what therapy or protocol did I recommend? Come on, don't be shy about your chronic lying. Let's hear your answer. Oh by the way, if I was working with an ALS patient I would be addressing the cause. Do you even know what the cause is and what part(s) of the immune system are involved?

>many of your arguments are a joke! your justifications can be simply turned around >and applied to half of everything you have written. if you want to argue out both >sides of your mouth, i can't engage that! sorry!

>how do you discredit information stated by another person by using a philosophy >that can be turned around and applied to your writings as well? lol!!!

>when you have a nobel peace prize in medicine, i will listen more closely to your >rantings, until then i put my money on the nobel prize winning chemists, lol! they >attest that you are almost right! half-right!

So where is your Nobel Prize? Where is your medical degree, or any medical certificates? Where are your studies proving your claims? I have yet to see you provide any evidence whatever. Just unsubstantiated claims and patients that supposedly exist. See the difference between you and I is that I do have medical training and I rely on science, not fantasy. I have seen the medical studies on the dangers of your "therapies", and that you choose to ignore either out of greed or just pure ignorance of not knowing how to read medical studies. If your therapies really work then show me some real evidence that has been verified. I have yet to see you do this, which just leads me to believe that it just does not exist!

>how do you discredit a statement because it is "theory," and then argue with your >own, "theories." at least i am objective enough to call them theories in the first >place.

LOL!!! Apparently you don't know what the definition of a theory is. No wonder your evidence only exists in your fantasies.

>i don't mean to exclude ozone, which has it's own risks! but if it makes you feel >any better, i love ozone for the same reasons you love ozone. in fact, i am looking >at trying to ozonate oils, which ones to ozonate first, and instead of being of >help to this goal, you choose to use to go the other way and use the >words "dangerous," several different times to discredit competing therapies that >don't use ozone. don't worry! ozone should be added to this protocol in my opinion, >although it too can be "dangerous" too!

First of all if you knew anything about chemistry then you would have known that ozone does not survive in oil. It is so reactive that it will even break itself down.
As to your second ridiculous comment here I am actually in to quite a few proven alternative therapies. I have no problem with therapies that have been proven with some scientific evidence. So far you have not provided ANY VERIFIABLE evidence to your wild claims.
And ozone is one of the safest therapies available. In a German study they followed over 6.5 million doses given and they had just over 30 reactions reported. Most of them minor, such as a little irritation at the injection site. Any as in depth studies to prove safety of what you propose?

>too much water is also dangerous! lol!!!!

LOL!!! So is your blatant ignorance!!!

>polysacharides do not destroy the immune system you freak. how dare you make such a >preposterous statement.

Your inability to read even simple statements leads me to believe that you probably did flunk out of school. That is why you said you had "collegiate experience", not degrees in any of the areas you claimed to have experience in.
I NEVER claimed that polysaccharides destroyed the immune system. Go back to my statement and have a third grader read and explain to you what was said.

>bacterial vaccines all contain bacterial lipopolysacharides which, stimulate the >immune system, or is it modulate? you seem to want to spit this hair and distract >people from the obvious.

Another desperate attempt by you to distract people from what was really said. You poor desperate soul!!! I was talking about polysaccharides from herbs, not lipopolysaccharides from gram negative bacteria. By your reasoning you could conclude that table Sugar and wood fiber (cellulose) are the same thing because they are both sugars. And you said you got your education from where?

>oh! how i wish i could meet you in person! you would never think i was close to >suicide from chronic illness if you saw what i have instore for you.

Now you know why I don't give out personal information. There are dangerous lunatics out there like you that want to threaten people's safety when you prove their belief systems wrong. Again, you need to seek some professional therapy before you do end up hurting someone!!!

>you have investments in ozone machines

No actually I do not. I don't sell them. I have made quite a few for my own research, and loaned many others out to people to use on themselves. You need to stop assuming and start relying more on facts!

>hey everybody! stop laughing at this vitamin c "expert" who hasn't even seen the >only study every conducted on high dose intravenous ascorbates.

Oh my, one unverified study. And you call that evidence? No wonder you are so ignorant. Let me clue you in on something m*o*o*n, one study is not evidence of anything. Studies can be easily manipulated to prove whatever someone wants to prove. This is why studies need to be verified by OTHER INDEPEDENT studies. Relying on one study conducted by the group pushing the treatment is a hallmark sign of quackery!

And as for your study I looked at it and this is what they had to say:

"We have presented evidence that vitamin C 'MAY BE' useful in the treatment of cancer". See the part that says "may be"? In other words NOT proven. And again, this is why studies need to be verified!

By the way, are you aware of how unstable synthetic vitamin C is in a aqueous solution, and how quickly it decomposes? We did this experiment in chemistry. It took about 40 minutes to COMPLETELY break down the vitamin C. So if the vitamin C has to be given very slowly IV, how much of what is being infused is not vitamin C by the time it enters the body? Got any studies on that?

>good god, i watched a cancer patient spontaniously lysis his brain tumor with this >therapy that was done at home by an osteopath. good thing he didn't listen to you, >he would be dead today as well,.....

And I have seen ozone work on brain and many other tumors, and without the invasiveness or dangers. The other difference is that the people I am talking about are real, and the therapy has been proven!

>obviously you know nothing of the fate m.s. and cancer patients go through!

"Fate"?!!! There is another difference between me and you. I have helped numerous people get over their cancers, MS, and many other conditions with alternative therapies. You say their fate, which implies that what you are doing did not work for them. See, I was right, you are a lunatic quack!!!

>just for people like yourself who read a single study by someone who fears natural >medicine! then you grab onto that one study like it was a life vest in the rapids.

LOL!!! More of your projection. Sounds like you are referring to yourself and the ONE study you referenced. Pathetic!!!!

>you have no business even arguing toxicity of vitamin c if you haven't even read >the results of the only toxicity trial ever conducted!!!

Again, see the above. You admit that it is the ONLY study. In other words NOT VERIFIED. Apparently you do not understand the importance of verification. Anyone can make up whatever and not verify it. Hell, you have been doing that all along. No wonder you cling to that study so tightly!

>in the meantime, go back to selling ozone by promoting it's benefits, but stop >trying to throw road blocks to sufferers who can take this protocol at reasonable >price and get relief.

"Reasonable price"? What do you consider reasonable? Don't survive don't pay?

>in fact, when i showed your article to a lou gherigs patient, he became outraged. >he is a millionare from brookland n.y. he has made an offer to show everyone on >curezone that you are not objective and have another agenda. he will sponsor a >curezone clinical trial of this protocol and make it available for free just to >curezone sufferers!!!!

Good, maybe you will FINALLY have some proof of efficacy and safety. Just make sure that the study is done independently so that the results are not skewed to what you want to prove.

>he hates you that much!!! lol!!!

Oh, I am so heartbroken. Maybe he is a psychotic nutcase like you so I have not lost anything!!!

>he has agreeed to buy three months therapies to five m.s. sufferers.

Wait a minute. You just said above that it will be free now, and now you are saying that he is buying the therapies implying a charge. You just can't keep your lies straight can you?

>after three months i will post all five of your responses to this therapy, >including side affects, adverse reactions, and favorable responses.

You have already proven yourself a liar and untrustworthy. You could claim whatever and it would still be unverifiable. I want to see some controlled clinical studies by someone independent of you that can be published in a medical journal. Otherwise I will just have to take what you post as more of your made up lies!

>p.s. i'll pay you for your contact information mr. dangerous! i will pay you for >your address, place of employment and full name!!!!!

Sorry, but I am not Mr. Dangerous. I would not want to take your title away from you. Secondly, you already threatened my safety above in this post. You might want to check with your attorney there. Maybe he can inform you that what you just did is a criminal act and subject to arrest! By the way, attorneys don't scare me. I find most of them to be quite ignorant of the law. I took on all 5 of my ex-business partners attorneys, and beat them all in Court. So you may want to stop with all the threats before you really get yourself in to trouble!









 

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