Date:   10/25/2008 6:48:54 PM ( 16 y ago)
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Dear Sir, Madam:

Even though the above protocol is from a licensed M.D. I have this to say!

Sincerely
Bret

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The writer of the above article has fed you half- truths and misguided information.

Vitamin c has been shown to prevent certain kinds of kidney stones.

The oxalic acid theory has been tested at University Of Nebraska Medical School. They infused 100,000 mg Intravenously to test toxicity. You are half right.

If you have any renal failure you can get kidney stones this is true. But in normal renal function this is not an issue. Also, they found you can prevent these kidney stones by taking two very common supplements with vitamin c infusions. So, twenty thousand mg. orally is a hell of a lot less than 100,000 venously!! I sure you wont disagree with this last statement. So, why did you mislead people otherwise?

This disinformation has been around for over a decade and has been proven to be overly- used by traditional medical entities. Amazon has great books written by licensed M.D.'s that disagree with this above reader who hasn't stated his credentials, his name, or his phone number, such as I have!

Furthermore, all vitamin c is absorbed into blood stream, while it is there it donates hydrogen to chemical reactions, donates electrons to mitochondria, attatches to exposed based pairs on RNA strands of many viruses and ceases replication. When flushed out of the kidney it may pick up a hydrogen and this is part of the bodies own ph balancing system in the kidneys.

SO as you urinate out vitamin c, it has done wonders and wasn't waisted. Also, selenium and alpha lipoic acid in just small quantities slows down the excretion of vitamin c and its breakdown.

Mega dose vitamin c has been supported by Licensed M.D.'s all over the world, endorsed by Nobel Prize Winning Chemist, and infusions are done in every single state, by licensed M.D.'s so maybe the above writer should contact the A.M.A. and the legislature with his information instead of scaring people with a terrible diseases here on curezone!!

Every mammal on earth manufactures it's own vitamin c, a dog can manufacture 10,000 to 20,000 mg per day.....Hmmmm. Maybe we should cut out their livers and spare them from all this horrible vitamin c that the above writer has portrayed as dangerous.
You see how preposterous his overall messsage is?

Lastly, all vitamin c protocols recommend a taper up and a taper down for this rebound scurvy. It is very rare and is not an issue as long as you taper. Again, this protocol was being done under supervision of doctors.

I personally take 20,000 mg daily for five years. My daughter at the age of six months was taking sodium ascorbate at 2,000 mg daily for any viral infection as she had reactive airway. It immediately suppressed her cough for 2-4 hours and she slepped well. We never used cough suppressants ever with her, never had too use broncho dialators. She is now vibrant, healthy twenty year old who works and schools full time, and by the way she takes 4,000 mg of vitamn c at the start of any cold.

Much of what I say is reported by Nobel Prize Winning Chemists and researchers.
By the way, how many Nobel Prizes in chemistry does the above writer have?

Vitamin a- it does make me uncomfortable I must admit. I know for a fact they use 100,000 to 150,000 iu, in cancer patients. This anti viral protocol does scale back vitamin a after one month. It was also being done under the guidance of a doctor who can perform simple liver enzyme tests and monitor liver function. The writer is correct that the liver can be affected by too high vitamin a. In future postings I have made the recommendation that anyone who takes vitamin a in any significant dosage, test their liver with a simple lab test. But do notice the amounts in this protocol are half of what they use in cancer treatments.

Too much water is bad for you too, but I don't see you bad mouthing people who recommend increased water consumption. What are toxic ranges for vitamin A?
Please tell me.

DMSO is 100 times cheaper than MSM and operates more effectively at oxygen donation than does MSM. But don't argue with me, argue with Ph.D. Biochemist at

http://krysalis.net

, his name is Doctor David Gregg.

Do not apply using rubber or latex gloves. Apply to clean skin, or take drops in large glass of H20.

The baking soda thing, I have mixed emotions, but it is in the protocol and you can talk to hundreds of people who are currently using it in other viral infections.
The chemical reaction of baking soda is soley not to truly alkalize but to reduce the pp of CO2, that chemical reaction is detailed at

http://earthclinic.com


There you can try to tell actual users how their therapy isn't really helping them!
Maybe you can convince these several hundred people that they don't really feel better.

Of course you can't change ph of blood, but can can change ph of body fluids, intracellular fluids. But, excuse my microbiology major, VIRSUSES DO NOT LIKE AEROBIC CONDITIONS. To disagree with this statement is preposterous and bold. All over the web you can find information about hundreds of different viruses and all of them hate oxygen and USUALLY alkaline conditions.

THe sodium thing is hugely misleading. Please! People die from too low of sodium, and you must drink bicarbonate with entire glass of water to bring down it's hypertonic concentration. Sodium will not affect water balance or even sodium levels as long as it is taken with plenty of water with it.

I at first bought into the above writer's arguments. Then I interviewed many people who are taking it for Lupus, cancer, other autoimmune disorders. I saw the biochemical equations of what bicarbonate does to CO2 levels.

You are completely wrong about polyphenols. It doesn't break down polyphenols, How can you say that baking soda breaks down polyphenols? It does separate the hydrogen from polyphenols and what you have failed to realize is that once this antioxidant reaction is carried out, the stable ringed structure of poly phenols now features a double bonded oxygen.

Once again, argue with Dr. Gregg about this so you can get the entire picture straight. OK? Baking soda facilitates the classic antioxidant reaction by causing hydrogen to split off of single bonded -OH. This is also an acid / base reaction.
Nonetheless, what is left is double bonded oxygen on these carbon rings. Think of them as complex chain of quinones.

THe role of Carboxyl group also has been mis-stated with a blanket generalization. Carboxylic acid breaks down into acetic acid in water, but we are talking about carboxylate that are attached to large stable structures like fatty acids.

What the writer has written again is half way true and then overstated in a generalization which serve to mislead people.

Carboxyl group is found in pyruvic acid for crying out loud, and pyruvic acid is a neccessary part of the Krebs cycle. Without pyruvic acid we could not possible burn glucose using oxygen. Without carboxylate you could not have pyruvic acid.

Do you get it? Yet? No carboxyl group means no pyruvic acid, nor pyruvic acid means no Kreb's cycle.

I think you would agree that burning glucose using oxygen is a good thing? Then again, No telling what you will say next!

Also, carboxylates do not form -OH as any normal chemist will explain, Why?
The anion salt of carboxylate maintains equilibrium with its hydrogen bound brother. The equation looks like this. RCOOH <-> (RCOO-) + (H+)
This is because carboxylic acid is such a weak acid.

This is right out of Wikepedia.

Tell me! WHere is the -OH the above writer claims can harm you. In fact, the donation of hydrogen neutralizes free radicals for God's sake. Why do you mislead people!

Just look at the alternative therapies that contain carboxy groups.

Coconut oil, bee and insect stings, apple cider vinegar, bees wax, valarian root, etc and many, flavenoids and many more.

ALso, please note the exposed negatively charge oxygen on the right side of the equation. This can bind to metals and actually detoxify, it can also be stripped,(in theory,) by catalase reaction, highly alkaline mineral salts,(Warburg/Brewer,) or low partial pressure of oxygen, which would be a normal gas/water perfusion from high to low concentration. I hope the above writer doesn't disagree with basic laws of physics and of fluid and gas dynamics. That would be a foolish notion and ruin you waivering credibility. Gasses seek out lower concentrations.

Potassium issue is real- another thing that makes me uncomfortable about this protocol, but the bottom line really is your body doesn't store potassium, the recommended suplementation is on the bottle itself and would be recalled if unsafe, such as tryptophan was. It is found inside cells. It rasies alkalinity. But were are not talking great amounts. The threshold for alkalinity which permits 02 perfusion is very small, (Warburg/Brewer.)

Burning a whole in your stomach? Please send me this case history. I believe this to be a lie, a fabrication that is intened to keep people from therapies that may help them,...I think this would be defined as crimminal behavior, and please provide me with your name and address so that my attorney can provide you with the laboratory and human studies where potassium supplementation with citrates or sulfates is actaully studied in depth. You obviously haven't seen these studies. Once again, I want to see that case histroy of the patient who burned a hole in their stomach. Give me a break!

You are probably talking about potassium chloride?

Hydrochloric acid can burn a hole in a lot more things than potassium citrate can.

Millions of people are taking black strap molasses for Lupus and other diseases, this contains tons and tons of potassium, yet still there is no documented case of heart arrythmias due to black strap molasses. If you are aware of any cases where molasses has killed someone, just put the article where your mouth is, or just go away and frighten other people soemwhere else. Why are you trying to scare people with this horrible disease.

COME ON! Every time you urinate or defficate or perspire you give off potassium, and the biggest offender of abnormally high potassium levels in the blood is potassium chloride which is highly soluable and rapidly absorbed. This is what is in artificial salt. The protocol doesn't ask for potassium chloride, and again was designed to be carried out in the presence of a licensed doctor. Potassium is rapidly absorbed into cells and can raise the internal ph to a point where oxygen perfusion is actually switched on, it's a ph threshold that was reported on by another Nobel Prize Winning Chemist. How many Nobel Prizes do you say you had? Also, Potassium is also much harder on people with kidney failure than is ascorbate. So, what happened to your huge concerns of people's Kidneys here, guess you must have stopped worrying about kidneys?

The White corpuscle argument/criticism wasn't even an argument! WHY did you devote any energy and time to this? Did you find a mispelling too!

At least try to not to split hairs while you are scaring people. Ok?
You were doing better with the half truths and generalizations.

Last but not least,...Chlorophyll! The writer again is half right and then applied these half truths in a hugely misleading generalization.

Chlorophyllin is actually what most people eat. But studies show it reduces C02 by means of Calvin cycle. It is also the hemoglobin used in all molluscs, really it is actual hemoglobin in animals. In animals it carries 02 and C02 as effectively as our hemolglobin, which is identical to chlorophyll with an iron center instead of copper.

I drink it daily and never even use sunscreen ever. I went snow skiing, water skiing, golfing (in the Arizona desert,) and I don't get sunburned any more, and if I do get red, I never peel. WOW!!! and the energy I get the next day is a miracle for me.

Please submit the proof that chlorophyllin can't perform the same functions as chlorophyll. Post it here on curezone. Otherwise you are full of it! I have posted chlorophyllin research on my own site for people like you who don't know it's properties.

If you read up on copper supplementation, which I recommend you do, copper over-doses are difficult to facilitate and very rare. The copper in consumable chlorophyllin is not disolved like metalic salts, it is trapped, it is not reactive, it is stable, and therefore displaces nothing!!!!!! Again, almost a lie!

By the way, look up Photodynamic therapy and then ask why doctors are infusing chlorophyll into humans and then stimulating certain areas with ultraviolet light.
I guess you can cause chlorophyll to eat CO2 in humans and produce O2. Otherwise, why the U.V lights?

I don't know who you are, but I wish I did.

Perhaps you are quoting somebody who has a vested interest in illness and/or death.

Perhaps you own a mortuary or maybe you pretend to be some kind of benefit for M.S. patients as doctors have done for decades.

Maybe you own stock in pharmaceuticals or work for a pharmaceutical company.
But you do not work for a pharmaceutical company that makes interferon which they use in M.S. today. ( The only traditional therapy to have any merit since they first discovered M.S.)

Hmmmm? Interferon for M.S.? What on earth are they trying to treat hre do you suspect? Maybe a VIRUS?

But, finally, I had an anaerobic infection for decade and a half. Three years ago I was is so much pain and fatigue I could barely make it through work. Ibuprofin made a mint off of me as did makers of Antibiotics .

I was thinking of ways to kill myself so that my life insurance would pay off and my daughter would think it was an accident. I planned to drive off a cliff because I was so tired and sick.

I researched and provide access and referrals to cancer patients and autoimmune patients as a hobby and small income.

Realizing that oxygenation and prevention of fermentation where in fact closely associated with favorable outcomes to anaerobic illnesses, I decided to practice what was being preached by all these practitioners, some who were M.D.'s.

Not only did my infection finally go away, the wart on my finger began to shrink for the fist time in 30 years.

I take many of the things on this viral protocol with the exception of DMSO. I have not died yet, in fact, I've been reborn and work longer hours now than I did twenty years ago, and by the way, my Yahoo chess rankings increase 2,000 points. Hmmmm! The oxygenation thing saved my life, made me younger, brighter, healthier than I have ever been. I wasn't reborn, I was re-made, I was saved.


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Dear Sir or Madam:

All you have accomplished was to scare M.S. patients away from hope. You have tried to steer them into a position of powerlessness and non-hope. You have created confusion,anxiety, and chaos.

But here is one fact you cannot dispute:

The graveyard is full of people who tried to treat their autoimmunes with modern medicine alone!

Why don't you knock modern medicine then? They have billed hundreds of millions of insurance dollars to treat the untreatable, I know I am a nurse and see M.S. patients all the time!

But don't take my word for it, I'll give you my address and you can come to my house and I will gladly demonstrate how much incredible energy I do have, all over your lying little behind!

With utmost sincerity:

Bret Peirce, Licensed nurse, collegiate background in microbiology, cell pysiology, organic chemistry, pathophysiology, and calculus.
 

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