Date:   7/31/2008 7:28:23 PM ( 16 y ago)
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Good points - the bigger resulting problem, as I see it is the social changes that are taking place worldwide because of this inaccurate theorizing of climate.
Green taxes and reduced energy usage lifestyle adjustments etc because of a theoretical model manipulated by what is largely a political body.

I am interested in the margin for error as it applies to the current scientific incapability to quantify the role of water and its net effect on temperature in the atmosphere. As it is the most prevalent greenhouse gas in the atmosphere dwarfing co2 in effect and quantity.
Some of the reports that correct numerous mistakes in the 2007 ipcc document do summerise that the margin for error exceeds the estimate for temperature change which proves the point that all this data is invalid by defualt.
http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=28
and the monkton report touch on this.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/herald.htm spoke of this in 2001

"Water vapor would swamp any effects by CO2, if greenhouse gasses were really creating global warming.
Water vapor has three times as much bandwidth for absorption peaks, and there are about 33 times as many water vapor molecules in the atmosphere as CO2 molecules, which means 100 times as much of a supposed greenhouse effect. And water vaporizes and precipitates so rapidly that it would be creating billions of times as much change in temperature as CO2, if the same logic were applied to it. Water Vapor"
http://nov55.com/gbwm.html -

I say I am interested in the margin of error! - but because the variability of water in the atmosphere and its overall effects are so great that not even the margin for error has any place in any so called scientific findings.
For any scientific findings to be valid they need to have reasonably constant ratios and as you say this is school stuff!


Of course the margin for error is in real life going to be much larger as satelite data only started to come into use in the 70's.
Then there is the heat island effect and lack of adjustments for urbanization!
Then there is disparity between different organisations! as you rightly point out and across a fairly large time scale of many thousands of years.

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