Date:   7/18/2008 3:35:04 PM ( 16 y ago)
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Since you address me as Tony -

Your reply is little more than a smooth and calculating put down which again is disservice to those who seek non-mainstream help in this non-mainstream forum, and no matter how else you try to disguise or justify, you have made cheap shots and slurs at Marc Swanepoel and OPC and you continue to do so - and I am far from alone in my opinion.

I have no intentions of following anyone on CZ and wasting my time trying to make life miserable for them - however, I will follow their falsehoods and reveal them when I find them.  I am sure that the above post is no different when I have the time to look into it further and get the correct answers and input from my trusted friend and colleague Marc Swanapoel - IF I even decide it is worth the time to do so.

You are all caught up in the mainstream science of things here at the AIDS ALTERNATIVE Support Forum, but to be quite honest, I could give a damn about the science you quote - I have seen plenty of it quoted in the past from the mainstream.  Almost enough to fill all the millions of unnecessary graves from people who have relied on the false promises and lies of mainstream medicines and treatments.

It may well be that his non-mainstream information does not match your mainstream information in many instances.  We here at this non-mainstream NON-MAINSTREAM website certainly know about the unreliability of mainstream sources - just look at the FDA and Merck as two of many such examples.

I will again point out that Marc never intended to promote his product outside South Africa and never made it with profit in mind in the first place.  He did not design his clinical trial nor make his statements with any promotion in mind.  The major purpose of his self-funded study was simply to verify empirically that what he had devised was working and why.

It is I who has brought awareness of OPC and his study to the United States (and wherever else my messages and articles are read).

Your attempts to hide your bias and slurs behind science are laughable and you expose yourself with such rediculous statements as "Why would one death be reported? NOTHING is being reported!".  You surely have to know that such a statement is utter hogwash and beyond logical belief, no matter how many times you repeat it.  Marc Swanepoel is well known in his native South Africa. Thousands of users, many of them associated with AIDS clinics he works through, and he has the blessings of his government to do so (I bet you didn't know THAT!).  At least ONE death report of an HIV patient would have surfaced and you damn well know it.

Or an even more ludicrous statement that "I imagine that if OPC stopped working, people wouldn’t go back for more, but would rather seek out a different treatment".  Give us all a break here.  That just defies all logic and common sense.  Remember, in the very large majority of the cases, the person only takes the OPC for a few months and then no longer has to - so it is not like they are taking it and stops working while they are taking it.  If it stops working months AFTER they took it (which has very seldom been the case), then OF COURSE they would return for more.

If anyone takes any medicine and it works and then later they become ill again their first inclination will be to go back and take more of the medicine, not seek out something they have no idea of working or not.  And this is particularly so in an impoverished nation like South Africa where there are no affordable alternatives and where Marc has charged only what they could afford, or else given his OPC away for five years now. 

And I might point out that quite a number of the ones who could afford more expensive alternatives, or who were the beneficiaries of charitable subsidies, had already tried your precious anti-retrovirals and had them fail. (And I will concede that AZT was probably prominent, since drugs that have proven outdated, ineffective and even dangerous here have often dumped on third world countries).

Regardless of anything else, OPC does work, has always worked and will continue to work though you may protest and doubt until hell freezes over. You best get your licks in while you can - a number of people here are trying it and soon will be telling us all what the real world answers to your "scientific" denials are.

Regards,

Tony
 

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