Re: What is the rational behind the Moreless anti-UT position? by grzbear ..... Urine Therapy Debate Forum
Date: 7/2/2008 6:05:03 PM ( 16 y ago)
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Anything and everything living NEEDS to contain NPN...
Our food has NPN in it...
The point at which the NPN becomes a bad thing is when our bodies cannot effectively USE or DISCARD the excess NPN as waste... then, we are in trouble.
This is another point that brings confusion to many.
So yes, there can be NPN in human milk as well as soy milk. The NPN will vary as well... for instance a poorer quality of human milk or soy would likely have a greater amount of NPN in it.
About the fetus...
By the 36th week there is usually around a liter of amniotic fluid, but by this time it is made up for the most part from fetal urine. The turnover of fluid is fairly rapid, with a build up from urine and a reabsorption from fetal swallowing being important dynamics in the amniotic fluid picture from hour to hour. Since the baby's kidneys mature over the gestation, the amniotic fluid is more fetal urine-like later than it is when the kidneys are less mature.
http://www.gynob.com/amniotic.htm
A pregnant woman does not urinate more frequently soley due to more pressure on the bladder... the NPN waste needs to be removed from the woman's body and away from the baby as well...
Where, or how does the amneotic fluid manifest before this time when it is more "amniotic fluid" than the fetus' urine?
What are the consequences if the mother has very high levels of NPN and what she then ingests is passed into the amniotic fluid and the child's kidney's process this out into the fluids? What happens to the development of the baby as oxygen levels go down?
- "Moreless' responses are totally presumptive with no basis of fact."
Actually I have researched many of his responses and they are based in fact...
- "By his reasoning, all urine has significant NPN."
It should if the body is doing its job correctly...
- "He can't stand the fact that today there are millions and millions of fetuses inhaling urine and even more babies than that ingesting human milk - all with NPN in it."
What makes you say that? Did you talk to him about this?
- "His answers establish his status as a genuine quack. And that isn't emotional. That is reality."
I think, based upon your comment here, that it appears that it is you getting rather worked up and emotional. He is offering to put emphasis in places that you would be well to research for yourself. Resorting to name calling and such is not productive.
- "One of the things that I've found with many alternative practitioners is that they have never had to stand up to a review of any kind, particularly a peer review."
When the student is ready the teacher will appear... your above statement tells me that you are not ready.
I am done here... You are hanging on hard to what you believe to be true, and\or you fear the challenge to your belief and are choosing to defend it rather than responding with a healthy questioning that includes unbiased research... perhaps in time you will learn.
grz-
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