Date:   6/5/2008 7:54:54 PM ( 17 y ago)
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You are quite right - you have no way of knowing whether OPC works or not.  Especially if you remain determined to blind yourself to the results of the actual users and the participants in the trial.

Ah well, pick it apart and doubt however you want.  Several hundreds of users over the past four years, every one of them alive and well and with reversed HIV/AIDS symptoms.  A succesful clinical trial no matter how much you criticise it. So successful in actual use and the trial that a pharmaceutical manufacturing company jumped in and agreed to produce an initial batch of 50,000 bottles and 10,000 bottles minimum per month after that.

Sutherlandia Frutescens is a minor part of the mix, probably a non-essential part.  Before the OPC was formulated with S. Frutscens, it used 80% oleander and a 20% combo of Agaricus Blazei Murrill mushroom, pau de arco and cat's claw.  Same results.  However, I am sure that the reason the Ministry of Health of South Africa recommends it for HIV and the reason the government of South Africa honored it nationally with an official postage stamp in its honor is NOT because it is ineffective.

Whether you are satisfied or not, there are hundreds if not thousands of people and family members who are delighted.

Let me get this straight - though quoted in numerous publications, studies and surveys do not exist because YOU cannot find them?  Pffft!  The more you post here, the more you strike me as a mainstream contrarian.  In case you have not noticed, mainstream medicine, including retro virals, mainstream scientific reviews and mainstream studies are not considered the holy grail here at CureZone.  We have seen how they can be abused.  Vioxx had all of those going for it - and now we have at least 60,000 needless graves as a result.

I will remind you that this is a support forum.  Not a contrarian mainstream debate forum. As I said, the mainstream will never accept a herbal remedy for HIV/AIDS, nor cancer either.  It can't be patented and it can't be used for huge profits.

I tell you what, even though you seem to have problems locating the studies that some very respected people such as Dr's Ralph Moss, Lorraine Day and Bill Henderson have used in their articles and books, maybe this task will be easier for you.  Well over 1,000 people have taken OPC for HIV/AIDS.  Find just ONE that is has not been successful for.

If that is beyond you, then here is a second option.  Since there has not one single report of harm from OPC, find someone who has HIV/AIDS  symptoms being aggressively presented, get them a couple of bottles of OPC - then you do all the scientific tests and report back to us.

Otherwise stop posting all your speculation that might cause someone to miss a chance at life and good health.

DQ

PS - You know, after thinking about it, I believe there that you genuinely care about HIV/AIDS sufferers and have your own concern as well.  The reality I know is that no mainstream sources are ever going to embrace a herbal supplement that is 100% effective, has never had a report of harm, has never failed to be successful, and only costs from $45 to $60 for a month supply.  I might also point this out - neither Marc Swanepoel of the South African pharmaceutical company is marketing the OPC supplement outside of South Africa.  There is just me trying to tell as wide an audience as I can reach because I am so impressed with the results, I know Marc, and I have followed the progress for over 5 years now.  In the end, perhaps both of us want the same thing - to save lives and ease suffering.  And I regret that I am unable to fully satisfy your concerns.  As for myself, I have none other than the fact that so many more could be saved if only they knew.

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